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I will tell you about each of those

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that's of course the one and only Dave

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kind of interesting but that fits in so

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not just a comedian he's a truth teller

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truth Seeker Warrior and that makes this

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clip kind of a nice fit for today's show

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with the very excellent guy I really

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like and respect even though we disagree

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important fundamental issues to me

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that is Steven Snyder recluse host of

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The Farm podcast and author of some

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great books I'm going to tell you about

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but the thing about OJ that Chappelle is

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talking about is is really interesting

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in a couple of ways back to Dave at the

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time I was 18.

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I had done a show and then a guy from

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the club came up and was like Hey O.J

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Simpson's here and he said he wants to

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meet you I said what [\h__\h] yeah I ran

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down steps

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and OJ was down there he's like there

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you go man how are you it's very good to

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meet you and uh you're doing really good

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work and I hope good things happen for

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you in your life I was like man thanks

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beside him

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ladies and gentlemen man the [\h__\h] up or

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this man the [\h__\h]

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so I'm really tempted to jump in with

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Chappelle's saying there but I want to

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relate it back to this show so here is a

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clip from this conversation that Stephen

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and I have about pizza gate Pizza gate

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this episode here's the clip and this is

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kind of similar to how you would start

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honestly if you're a psychological

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warfare officer why wouldn't you be

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interested in this kind of stuff

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historically disinformation usually had

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whole pizzagate era where you know I

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campaign but I mean it has almost no

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know that there's this racial component

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influenced by the fact that Rodney King

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police and that they used that they

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crazy mixed up world that's how we sort

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we just drill into some of the the data

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points and see where we get so let me

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America it's a restaurant a gunman with

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DC spot that's at the center of a fake

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news story about Hillary Clinton and a

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close eight our senior Justice

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believe that is the fake news that is

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the story the story is this crazy

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conspiracy theorist goes into this

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innocent pizza parlor and shoots it up

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what it's really about is this person

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Mariana bramovich and it's about these

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submarine Hillary Clinton in her

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campaign these emails were released four

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days before the election oh what a

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coincidence what is she doing hanging

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around with this person what is she

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doing going to these Spirit cooking

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he leaned over all the white people I

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them had nothing short of disgust on

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their faces and the only one with the

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the truth in a way that makes us laugh

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feel good and not alienate anybody too

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Stephen Snyder because even in my bull

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plow through some really really

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cake but about Stargate and MK Ultra in

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E.T and UFOs and spirituality and all

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you don't hear enough of and you know

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what that's lead into is a pitch for you

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to join me in a dialogue about this

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stuff so you're listening now share it

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with someone else and then engage with

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me I'd love to hear what you think

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especially if you're thinking about this

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stuff deeply and you're not just kind of

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trolling around with stuff but give me

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some new information that's what that's

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the juice for me is when people share

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new information with me that is

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important real credible and that then I

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can expand my knowledge that's what

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makes me feel really great so please

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engage with skeptico in that way that's

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what I ask of you and in exchange I'll

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coming up with recluse

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welcome to skeptico where we explore

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controversial science and spirituality

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with leading researchers thinkers and

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and today we welcome Steven Snyder AKA

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recluse back to skeptico Stephen is the

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author of several books and he's

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last year A special relationship Trump

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Epstein and the secret history of the

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anglo-american establishment

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if you can crack that title you might

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Stephen's World here's another title

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Strange Tales of the parapolitical

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post-war Nazis mercenaries and other

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secret history excellent book he made

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the rounds on some great shows on that

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Deep dive deep parapolitical stuff deep

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share this thing of like well let's try

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our best to figure this stuff out if you

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that's great but what we're really

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dialogue Stephen it's awesome to have

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you back thanks for joining me

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well thanks for having me back again

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Rush Limbaugh in 2021 right so it's uh

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stuff that's just incredibly dense with

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going you know you guys are kind of

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completely blind spot on all of this

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stuff which is what the the Q Anon stuff

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sense of that but do you have any

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thoughts on you know the political

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well I you know I personally kind of

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consider myself to be like a bit of a

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centralist I mean a lot of my right

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right-wing friends consider me to be a

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far left Winger a lot of my left-wing

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friends consider me to be a bit

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conservative I think my ex considered me

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to be a quasi uh far rightist or

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something like that uh so you know

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honestly I mean I just enjoy hearing

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different perspectives on a lot of

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things so I mean I try to keep an open

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mind in terms of guests I mean I you

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know probably agree with less than 50 of

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what most of my kids believe in that I

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have one but I think it's important to

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challenge your beliefs and that's kind

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of something that I try to do with the

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farm is I want to have guests on that

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are going to be provocative and possibly

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give the listeners and that world view

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that they're not normally exposed to I

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think it was ironically Crowley was who

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I learned that from he had that what

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suggesting that you should read one

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publication a day from a source that you

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absolutely despised and see if you can

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mentally debunk Goods I mean I think

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that's a great uh concept I mean that's

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you know partly something that I tried

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to do myself every day and you know

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hopefully I mean if the farm does

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challenge your world view I mean then

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it's done its purpose partly

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that definitely comes through it's

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awesome and it's not

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oh it's just less and less common as you

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know so with that you know maybe the

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place to start

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I'm super excited to see this new book

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when it comes out

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let's start with Q Anon and maybe at a

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very high level give people the scoop

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your scoop the recluse scoop on what

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people don't know because I I still you

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know have a problem kind of

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communicating with people about this

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yeah well I mean it's you know it's

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certainly quite fascinating I mean it's

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been a deep dive you know trying to get

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into the intricacies of it and try to

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see if there was actually uh you know if

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it was just sort of a LARP that was

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randomly started that the you know

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potentially ex-intelligence officers

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that latched onto was it something that

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was always kind of intended to be a

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um an operation is it connected to the

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Cambridge analytica Network you know I

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mean how complicated is some of the

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technology that's being used in it or a

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lot of these guys just a bunch of

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internet trolls and it's been massively

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overblown and then on top of that I mean

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a lot of the people involved seem like

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they've uh created their own ethos I

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mean in the case of at least you know

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one of the participants I mean I'm you

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know possession of probably thousands of

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emails that this person has sent out now

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and I mean I think a good chunk of them

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were you know sent with the purpose uh

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the notion that they were going to be

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leaked you know eventually so there's

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already I think kind of this air of like

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trying to create a certain ethos or a

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certain narrative even in some of these

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email chains that are you know go back

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to like 2016 2017

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so yeah it's uh it's certainly I mean in

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quite a journey that's for sure and um

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ironically I think it kind of made me a

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discordant in the process of

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investigating this whole thing

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I mean really you can't understand Q if

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you don't understand discordianism so

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but I I want to crawl on top of this

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because sometimes we are going to lose

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people

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the basic premise of your work is buried

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in what you just said is that Q Anon is

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best understood as an operation a psyop

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and I always like to say best understood

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because I think there's another subtlety

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there that I'm not sure

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we're in sync on totally and that's that

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I'm not sure that all the people that

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were involved in Q Anon even at a pretty

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high level were necessarily in on uh the

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operation and if that is the case that

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would certainly parallel every freaking

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thing we've ever seen in the past that

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it's always co-opted it's always there

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in in so many of these things and I

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can't even say always sometimes these

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operations are organically

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fake from the beginning sometimes there

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is a kernel of realness to them and then

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they are co-opted we're going to talk

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about

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ET and UFO certainly that's a case of

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the where there was a genuine community

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and they were certainly infiltrated and

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certainly co-opted but there's many

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other ones back in the 60s the whole

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movement the whole hippie movement the

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whole New Age movement co-opted co-opted

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co-opted you know so Timothy Leary

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co-opted and then you know though Occupy

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Wall Street same thing you know it you

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document this over and over and over

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again in the show so I'm kind of

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rambling there but let's bring it back

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to Q Anon and I'll bring it to a direct

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question that I don't know how you're

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going to answer this

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is there anything real in Q a

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well how can I I mean what exactly are

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you talking about like are there people

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who were involved in it who were True

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Believers are you talking about as any

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of the you know information in it real

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like what specifically are you asking

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Israel see that's tricky like all this

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stuff just has to be pulled apart

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because True Believers aren't real

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True Believers are true believers

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I differentiate between True Believers

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and people who are real who are drawn to

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a a cause a community a sense of getting

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things out so I don't have any time for

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True Believers like you said at the

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beginning unless people are willing to

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kind of sort through and find out I

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think people were

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I think really intelligent people smart

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people who had facts were pulled into

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some of the the reality that is behind Q

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Anon but I don't know if you feel the

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same way well I mean I think in terms of

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like were there people who were drawn

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into the Q thing who genuinely believed

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in what they were doing who thought that

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they had good intentions who thought

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that they were doing something patriotic

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I mean yeah I think that they had real

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information that's what I'm saying here

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I'm gonna pull them up on the screen now

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this is this is like to me it's almost

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like Ground Zero Dr Steve pacenik and

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you're you kind of like you woke me a

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little bit to what's going on here but

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if you look at Steve pechenick and who

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he is he is a real dude I mean he really

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was involved in the state department in

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overthrowing governments which isn't a

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very nice thing but he was the guy he

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was the point guy and he not only wrote

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those spy novels but he lived him and

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the point is that when Steve pacenik

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goes on Alex Jones's show

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and here it is from Alex Jones

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band.video which side note digression

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you notice that band dot video which is

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his new website

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is now searchable in Google

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isn't that funny all of a sudden the

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videos pop up that are searching

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interesting Alex Jones's band or Izzy

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band but here I'm going to play a clip

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here the New York Times is going under

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the Washington Post is going under Simon

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and Schuster is going on there and

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they're trying to make the best of it at

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the same time there are arrests being

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made in Florida over 300 to 700 people

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were arrested in Northern Florida

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Southern Florida with in regards to this

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legal activity and pedophilia that's the

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other element that we've been looking at

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the military has been deployed all over

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the United States uh we're quiet about

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it and at the same time I will guarantee

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you Biden will not become president of

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the United States okay classic was it

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was it an ankle bracelet he was going to

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yeah I think he did I think it was what

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he was going to say so look folks

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because I I get into discussions

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arguments debates with people like this

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isn't like ancient history this is like

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a year ago and this is Steve pechanic a

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guy who's a definitely an Insider

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definitely when he says he has contacts

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I mean he definitely has [\h__\h]

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contacts there is no doubt he is well

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connected and he's saying this stuff and

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if nothing else it just turns out not to

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be true Biden did become president and

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they didn't arrest all those people and

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they the New York Times didn't go under

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and all the rest of that this is what

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drives

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people who are kind of anti-q or woken

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up about it's an operation I mean how do

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we process this Stephen let me just

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throw it out there how do you process

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Steve pogenic

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well in terms of like what he's saying

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well I mean I think actually I mean just

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from years of like looking at the UFO

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field I mean this kind of behavior

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doesn't really surprise me because I

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mean this is sort of indicative of how a

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lot of ex-spooks have operated within

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the UFO Community for years now I mean

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one of the things I've been sort of

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looking at is the origins of the Aviary

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and um obviously there's been a lot of

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stories given about that I mean a

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popular one was that a meeting in 1986

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at Beaver Creek Ohio at Ernie Keller

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strauss's place he was a colonel in the

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Air Force who had worked at the foreign

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Technologies divisions for a lot of

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years now

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Ernie's the one who made a lot of pretty

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incredible claims uh specifically it

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seems like he's the one where some of

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these claims about the red and the

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yellow book originate from you know

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supposedly there's this book that we

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have that the extraterrestrials gave us

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the Chronicles the whole history of

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their involvement with us that the

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Pentagon you know derives information

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from also the whole notion that there

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was some kind of you know alien Exchange

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program that later turned up in serpo

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there were two different sources who

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confirmed this one was Robert Collins

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who claimed that he had heard these

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Tales From My Keller Strauss in 1986 and

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then Bruce McAfee I believe who claimed

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that he had heard the same claims in

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1985. and in turn Keller Strauss claimed

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that he was told this by Dale Graf I

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believe who was one of the big guys

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running the remote viewing program in

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the DIA and that this unfolded during

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the late 1970s

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so you know there's a lot about this hey

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this guy is saying some absolutely

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insane stuff and this is coming from an

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ex-air Force kernel and then on top of

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that he's citing Graf who was a big guy

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in all this remote viewing stuff for the

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DIA and as far as I can tell nobody's

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ever even bothered to ask Raph if any of

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this was true I mean that's the thing

546
00:22:00,830 --> 00:21:58,919
that I find most remarkable about this

547
00:22:02,630 --> 00:22:00,840
is Keller strauss's claims have been out

548
00:22:04,970 --> 00:22:02,640
there I think for at least 15 years

549
00:22:06,590 --> 00:22:04,980
since Maccabee published Hawk tales in

550
00:22:08,330 --> 00:22:06,600
2005

551
00:22:11,149 --> 00:22:08,340
and nobody's even asked this other

552
00:22:13,490 --> 00:22:11,159
senior Cia officer or Dia officer excuse

553
00:22:15,110 --> 00:22:13,500
me do you think that there's an

554
00:22:16,610 --> 00:22:15,120
extraterrestrial book that the Pentagon

555
00:22:18,289 --> 00:22:16,620
has that they're using to view the

556
00:22:19,850 --> 00:22:18,299
future with

557
00:22:21,049 --> 00:22:19,860
I mean that seems like it would be an

558
00:22:23,510 --> 00:22:21,059
interesting question to ask but

559
00:22:25,789 --> 00:22:23,520
apparently nobody's done it yet so yeah

560
00:22:28,310 --> 00:22:25,799
but Stephen if we're going to get if we

561
00:22:29,149 --> 00:22:28,320
are going to get into the ET and the UFO

562
00:22:32,029 --> 00:22:29,159
thing

563
00:22:35,149 --> 00:22:32,039
but tie it back to

564
00:22:35,990 --> 00:22:35,159
if you can tie it back to the Q Anon

565
00:22:40,250 --> 00:22:36,000
thing

566
00:22:41,990 --> 00:22:40,260
I tell you in

567
00:22:43,430 --> 00:22:42,000
first of all we are in a diff we are

568
00:22:45,230 --> 00:22:43,440
already in a different world right this

569
00:22:48,110 --> 00:22:45,240
conversation if you talk to normies

570
00:22:50,870 --> 00:22:48,120
about all this stuff you cannot

571
00:22:52,750 --> 00:22:50,880
begin to even have this conversation so

572
00:22:56,210 --> 00:22:52,760
let's at least keep it

573
00:22:58,250 --> 00:22:56,220
simple I mean the thing is is it's like

574
00:23:00,169 --> 00:22:58,260
there's been this sort of component with

575
00:23:02,149 --> 00:23:00,179
like larbers and what have you which is

576
00:23:05,930 --> 00:23:02,159
something explain larpers to people just

577
00:23:07,909 --> 00:23:05,940
really quick live action role-playing so

578
00:23:09,649 --> 00:23:07,919
and I mean okay you could probably

579
00:23:11,690 --> 00:23:09,659
factor in elements like from the

580
00:23:13,549 --> 00:23:11,700
discordian notion of like operation mind

581
00:23:15,649 --> 00:23:13,559
[\h__\h] which is you know a very elaborate

582
00:23:17,690 --> 00:23:15,659
LARP or live action role play where

583
00:23:20,450 --> 00:23:17,700
you're essentially trying to reorient

584
00:23:22,370 --> 00:23:20,460
somebody's uh world view through a kind

585
00:23:23,390 --> 00:23:22,380
of performance art or something to that

586
00:23:26,149 --> 00:23:23,400
effect

587
00:23:28,010 --> 00:23:26,159
so the thing about operation mind [\h__\h]

588
00:23:29,750 --> 00:23:28,020
which was a total you know offshoot of

589
00:23:32,450 --> 00:23:29,760
discordianism and counterculture in the

590
00:23:34,490 --> 00:23:32,460
60s is that it essentially operates in

591
00:23:37,010 --> 00:23:34,500
the same you know very supremacist and

592
00:23:38,510 --> 00:23:37,020
disinformation campaign does I mean the

593
00:23:40,310 --> 00:23:38,520
way that you know Kerry Thornley and

594
00:23:41,510 --> 00:23:40,320
Robert Anton Wilson kind of started a

595
00:23:43,310 --> 00:23:41,520
lot of this stuff as they started

596
00:23:44,750 --> 00:23:43,320
sending random letters to people in the

597
00:23:46,370 --> 00:23:44,760
media then they would have other people

598
00:23:48,529 --> 00:23:46,380
you know who were a fellow discordance

599
00:23:50,510 --> 00:23:48,539
and letters out and try to create this

600
00:23:52,909 --> 00:23:50,520
notion that there was say an Illuminati

601
00:23:54,350 --> 00:23:52,919
conspiracy in the counterculture and

602
00:23:56,810 --> 00:23:54,360
this is kind of similar to how you would

603
00:23:59,390 --> 00:23:56,820
start a disinformation campaign

604
00:24:01,190 --> 00:23:59,400
um with you know the public at large I

605
00:24:02,990 --> 00:24:01,200
mean there was the um gosh the famous

606
00:24:04,730 --> 00:24:03,000
psychic spying incident from like the

607
00:24:06,710 --> 00:24:04,740
late 1950s where they had what was it

608
00:24:08,390 --> 00:24:06,720
shock bird or like plan a story in a

609
00:24:11,090 --> 00:24:08,400
French newspaper that the Soviets got

610
00:24:12,769 --> 00:24:11,100
interested in about the Navy doing um

611
00:24:14,990 --> 00:24:12,779
essentially ESP experiments with

612
00:24:16,789 --> 00:24:15,000
submarines it doesn't seem like any of

613
00:24:20,029 --> 00:24:16,799
this was real at all it was just a false

614
00:24:22,250 --> 00:24:20,039
story that was planted so you know this

615
00:24:24,049 --> 00:24:22,260
is something that Spooks do all the time

616
00:24:26,029 --> 00:24:24,059
and it was kind of some something that

617
00:24:27,470 --> 00:24:26,039
was probably subconsciously picked up in

618
00:24:29,390 --> 00:24:27,480
some way by the counterculture by

619
00:24:30,409 --> 00:24:29,400
elements of the yippies the discordians

620
00:24:33,350 --> 00:24:30,419
and a lot of these other kind of

621
00:24:35,149 --> 00:24:33,360
pranksters and at some point I mean who

622
00:24:36,769 --> 00:24:35,159
knows maybe the Spooks observe this kind

623
00:24:38,870 --> 00:24:36,779
of stuff and saw that it was extremely

624
00:24:40,370 --> 00:24:38,880
effective I mean you know the Illuminati

625
00:24:42,769 --> 00:24:40,380
for instance almost nobody had really

626
00:24:45,110 --> 00:24:42,779
heard about the late 1960s I believe in

627
00:24:47,029 --> 00:24:45,120
2021 almost 30 million people believe

628
00:24:49,789 --> 00:24:47,039
that the Illuminati are a real thing in

629
00:24:52,070 --> 00:24:49,799
this day and age so that's a pretty you

630
00:24:53,450 --> 00:24:52,080
know that's not a bad achievement I mean

631
00:24:55,010 --> 00:24:53,460
honestly if you're a psychological

632
00:24:57,049 --> 00:24:55,020
warfare officer why wouldn't you be

633
00:24:59,870 --> 00:24:57,059
interested in this kind of stuff

634
00:25:02,149 --> 00:24:59,880
so I think that potentially opened up

635
00:25:03,409 --> 00:25:02,159
this whole sort of world to them where

636
00:25:06,230 --> 00:25:03,419
you know you're seeing this like

637
00:25:08,029 --> 00:25:06,240
outright absurdity and it seems like

638
00:25:10,909 --> 00:25:08,039
this kind of factored into how you know

639
00:25:13,070 --> 00:25:10,919
we were doing disinformation campaigns I

640
00:25:15,169 --> 00:25:13,080
mean historically disinformation usually

641
00:25:16,310 --> 00:25:15,179
had some kind of a basis in reality I

642
00:25:17,870 --> 00:25:16,320
mean that's what made it really

643
00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:17,880
effective

644
00:25:23,029 --> 00:25:19,919
but now we've kind of gotten into the

645
00:25:24,350 --> 00:25:23,039
whole pizzagate era where you know I

646
00:25:26,750 --> 00:25:24,360
think that this is a disinformation

647
00:25:29,390 --> 00:25:26,760
campaign but I mean it has almost no

648
00:25:31,730 --> 00:25:29,400
basis in reality I mean unlike something

649
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:31,740
like the you know Kennedy assassination

650
00:25:36,049 --> 00:25:33,720
or like 911

651
00:25:37,909 --> 00:25:36,059
you know we can question why or who

652
00:25:39,470 --> 00:25:37,919
assassinated Kennedy or you know who

653
00:25:41,269 --> 00:25:39,480
brought down the Twin Towers but nobody

654
00:25:43,490 --> 00:25:41,279
really questions that John F Kennedy was

655
00:25:44,990 --> 00:25:43,500
assassinated or that the towers came

656
00:25:46,610 --> 00:25:45,000
down you know what I'm saying like these

657
00:25:48,409 --> 00:25:46,620
were actually real events that you know

658
00:25:50,990 --> 00:25:48,419
most of humanity would agree occurred

659
00:25:52,490 --> 00:25:51,000
with pizza Gates you know with the

660
00:25:54,590 --> 00:25:52,500
conventional narrative that there were

661
00:25:56,090 --> 00:25:54,600
dungeons underneath this pizza parlor

662
00:25:58,310 --> 00:25:56,100
and that you know children were being

663
00:25:59,930 --> 00:25:58,320
brought out of there and sold to Elites

664
00:26:01,669 --> 00:25:59,940
behind you know the back of the premise

665
00:26:04,730 --> 00:26:01,679
or something like that

666
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:04,740
you know this is a fantasy it's a fable

667
00:26:08,990 --> 00:26:07,200
it doesn't even have a basic you know

668
00:26:10,789 --> 00:26:09,000
Sim it doesn't even have any real

669
00:26:12,769 --> 00:26:10,799
semblance of reality

670
00:26:15,649 --> 00:26:12,779
uh I think it was a disinformation

671
00:26:17,390 --> 00:26:15,659
campaign that was uh initiated because

672
00:26:19,370 --> 00:26:17,400
of the whole thing with Epstein because

673
00:26:21,529 --> 00:26:19,380
of the stuff with

674
00:26:23,330 --> 00:26:21,539
um Jimmy Savile in the UK because

675
00:26:26,269 --> 00:26:23,340
suddenly you started having this damning

676
00:26:28,310 --> 00:26:26,279
evidence coming out but unlike kind of

677
00:26:30,169 --> 00:26:28,320
past disinformation campaigns where you

678
00:26:32,870 --> 00:26:30,179
would try to have some sort of basis and

679
00:26:34,490 --> 00:26:32,880
reality to it uh it was more or less

680
00:26:37,190 --> 00:26:34,500
like let's just see if we can create

681
00:26:38,750 --> 00:26:37,200
this full-blown fairy tale that's going

682
00:26:40,310 --> 00:26:38,760
to come you know bring in all of these

683
00:26:41,690 --> 00:26:40,320
other tropes that I mean some of these

684
00:26:44,930 --> 00:26:41,700
conspiracy theorists have been working

685
00:26:47,149 --> 00:26:44,940
on for years and uh in a lot of ways

686
00:26:49,250 --> 00:26:47,159
it's it's led to a point where we've

687
00:26:51,649 --> 00:26:49,260
moved Beyond conspiracy theory and we're

688
00:26:53,750 --> 00:26:51,659
now in conspiracy fantasy or uh

689
00:26:56,870 --> 00:26:53,760
conspiracy fiction or whatever you want

690
00:26:58,789 --> 00:26:56,880
to call it it's very interesting

691
00:27:01,669 --> 00:26:58,799
I mean it's almost kind of to the extent

692
00:27:04,010 --> 00:27:01,679
whereas previously conspiracy theory was

693
00:27:06,409 --> 00:27:04,020
a reaction to events that were playing

694
00:27:08,450 --> 00:27:06,419
out in the real world you now have

695
00:27:10,430 --> 00:27:08,460
conspiracy Fable that is essentially

696
00:27:12,230 --> 00:27:10,440
dictating the world view to the public

697
00:27:13,330 --> 00:27:12,240
at large if you will

698
00:27:16,070 --> 00:27:13,340
okay

699
00:27:17,690 --> 00:27:16,080
so so this is this is great because

700
00:27:19,610 --> 00:27:17,700
we're getting down to stuff that we're

701
00:27:22,990 --> 00:27:19,620
just going to kind of

702
00:27:25,370 --> 00:27:23,000
disagree on from a kind of factual basis

703
00:27:28,490 --> 00:27:25,380
philosophically in your approach to it

704
00:27:30,950 --> 00:27:28,500
I'm down with one thousand percent now

705
00:27:33,110 --> 00:27:30,960
we just drill into some of the the data

706
00:27:34,490 --> 00:27:33,120
points and see where we get so let me

707
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:34,500
try and do that

708
00:27:39,590 --> 00:27:37,919
here is pizzagate as we understand it

709
00:27:42,289 --> 00:27:39,600
play in the clip from Good Morning

710
00:27:44,630 --> 00:27:42,299
America it's a restaurant a gunman with

711
00:27:47,630 --> 00:27:44,640
an assault rifle targeting a Washington

712
00:27:49,250 --> 00:27:47,640
DC spot that's at the center of a fake

713
00:27:50,510 --> 00:27:49,260
news story about Hillary Clinton and a

714
00:27:52,130 --> 00:27:50,520
close eight our senior Justice

715
00:27:53,570 --> 00:27:52,140
correspondent Pierre Thomas is there in

716
00:27:55,549 --> 00:27:53,580
Washington has all the details for us

717
00:27:57,769 --> 00:27:55,559
good morning Pierre good morning Robin

718
00:28:00,529 --> 00:27:57,779
this case shows how fake news can lead

719
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:00,539
to a dangerous situation and

720
00:28:05,930 --> 00:28:03,360
oh my God oh my God Stephen we are

721
00:28:08,690 --> 00:28:05,940
completely at odds on that because I

722
00:28:12,409 --> 00:28:08,700
believe that is the fake news that is

723
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:12,419
the story the story is this crazy

724
00:28:18,350 --> 00:28:14,880
conspiracy theorist goes into this

725
00:28:20,269 --> 00:28:18,360
innocent pizza parlor and shoots it up

726
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:20,279
let me pull up something else on the

727
00:28:25,850 --> 00:28:22,080
screen but of course what it's really

728
00:28:29,590 --> 00:28:25,860
about is this person Mariana Abramovich

729
00:28:32,149 --> 00:28:29,600
and it's about these emails these real

730
00:28:35,630 --> 00:28:32,159
emails that happened

731
00:28:38,389 --> 00:28:35,640
between John podesta and

732
00:28:42,590 --> 00:28:38,399
a bunch of other people but are revealed

733
00:28:45,769 --> 00:28:42,600
in the Wikileaks dump of emails that

734
00:28:48,110 --> 00:28:45,779
were by the way designed to submarine

735
00:28:50,269 --> 00:28:48,120
Hillary Clinton in her campaign these

736
00:28:52,970 --> 00:28:50,279
emails were released four days before

737
00:28:55,430 --> 00:28:52,980
the election oh what a coincidence but

738
00:28:57,470 --> 00:28:55,440
they did play a note with Christian

739
00:29:00,409 --> 00:28:57,480
conservatives and with people in general

740
00:29:01,549 --> 00:29:00,419
and saying what is this what is our

741
00:29:05,090 --> 00:29:01,559
highest

742
00:29:07,850 --> 00:29:05,100
Aid to the Hillary Clinton campaign John

743
00:29:10,190 --> 00:29:07,860
podesta what is she doing hanging around

744
00:29:12,769 --> 00:29:10,200
with this person what is she doing going

745
00:29:15,169 --> 00:29:12,779
to these Spirit cooking parties holding

746
00:29:19,010 --> 00:29:15,179
up pictures or displaying pictures in

747
00:29:20,630 --> 00:29:19,020
their house of kids being abused and the

748
00:29:23,389 --> 00:29:20,640
thing that really surprises me about

749
00:29:25,070 --> 00:29:23,399
your answer is that the idea that this

750
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:25,080
is completely just

751
00:29:31,190 --> 00:29:27,600
made it doesn't have any connection to

752
00:29:34,389 --> 00:29:31,200
any real events is just easily kind of

753
00:29:38,810 --> 00:29:34,399
countered I interviewed this person

754
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,820
Annika Lucas who is a real person who

755
00:29:44,630 --> 00:29:41,279
was sold by her mother

756
00:29:47,630 --> 00:29:44,640
into a Satanic ritual abuse cult

757
00:29:50,269 --> 00:29:47,640
when she was six years old and she tells

758
00:29:52,730 --> 00:29:50,279
the whole story and she's not lying

759
00:29:54,590 --> 00:29:52,740
because she was sold she was in in

760
00:29:56,149 --> 00:29:54,600
Holland and she was sold into the

761
00:29:59,090 --> 00:29:56,159
Detroit cult

762
00:30:00,769 --> 00:29:59,100
right and that was in the papers and the

763
00:30:04,430 --> 00:30:00,779
kids you'll see him if I scroll down

764
00:30:06,289 --> 00:30:04,440
here we're locked in these cages and the

765
00:30:08,450 --> 00:30:06,299
kids actually died because they arrested

766
00:30:10,130 --> 00:30:08,460
deutro although he never really faced

767
00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:10,140
any serious charges

768
00:30:14,269 --> 00:30:12,720
and they went and found the kids who had

769
00:30:15,350 --> 00:30:14,279
died because he hadn't come back to feed

770
00:30:18,950 --> 00:30:15,360
the kids

771
00:30:20,990 --> 00:30:18,960
and Annika Lucas's testimony is

772
00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,000
completely in sync with that and she

773
00:30:25,909 --> 00:30:23,880
talks about being a young child and

774
00:30:29,570 --> 00:30:25,919
being brought to these

775
00:30:32,690 --> 00:30:29,580
castles and and identifying leaders

776
00:30:34,789 --> 00:30:32,700
major leaders in Europe but you know

777
00:30:37,789 --> 00:30:34,799
even you have brisen on all the time

778
00:30:40,789 --> 00:30:37,799
John Pearson I mean he'll tell you the

779
00:30:42,649 --> 00:30:40,799
McMartin preschool thing and all these

780
00:30:45,529 --> 00:30:42,659
things they are or the Franklin thing

781
00:30:47,870 --> 00:30:45,539
those kids talk about going to these big

782
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:47,880
mansions going to all this so I just

783
00:30:53,149 --> 00:30:50,880
don't know to me you're kind of totally

784
00:30:56,269 --> 00:30:53,159
falling for the head fake here and the

785
00:30:59,750 --> 00:30:56,279
head fake is the the people were upset

786
00:31:02,690 --> 00:30:59,760
about pizzagate because of the satanic

787
00:31:04,909 --> 00:31:02,700
emails that were directly connected to

788
00:31:08,149 --> 00:31:04,919
Bethesda and people who don't think

789
00:31:10,930 --> 00:31:08,159
they're Satanic ritual abuse my God I

790
00:31:14,990 --> 00:31:10,940
got so many interviews with

791
00:31:17,690 --> 00:31:15,000
including with an FBI agent 20 years who

792
00:31:19,310 --> 00:31:17,700
infiltrated the NAMBLA group but all

793
00:31:21,169 --> 00:31:19,320
those people will tell you that this is

794
00:31:25,070 --> 00:31:21,179
very very real stuff and there's people

795
00:31:27,049 --> 00:31:25,080
engaged in that so we're in a we're at a

796
00:31:28,970 --> 00:31:27,059
little bit of an impasse but I think

797
00:31:32,509 --> 00:31:28,980
it's an important point because to me

798
00:31:35,029 --> 00:31:32,519
this is the story the story is Good

799
00:31:37,310 --> 00:31:35,039
Morning America oh my God the terrible

800
00:31:40,250 --> 00:31:37,320
conspiracy theorists in this terrible

801
00:31:42,590 --> 00:31:40,260
fake news in this poor innocent guy who

802
00:31:45,909 --> 00:31:42,600
is so deep into this stuff elephantis

803
00:31:48,289 --> 00:31:45,919
that oh his pizza restaurant got shot up

804
00:31:51,110 --> 00:31:48,299
where where are we

805
00:31:52,909 --> 00:31:51,120
how come we're not in sync on this

806
00:31:55,009 --> 00:31:52,919
well I'm not sure that we're that far

807
00:31:56,630 --> 00:31:55,019
out of sync I mean I'm not disputing

808
00:31:58,009 --> 00:31:56,640
that there are abuse rings I mean I've

809
00:32:01,190 --> 00:31:58,019
written quite extensively on the

810
00:32:03,409 --> 00:32:01,200
Franklin Scandal myself uh I covered you

811
00:32:05,090 --> 00:32:03,419
know in my book A special relationship I

812
00:32:06,769 --> 00:32:05,100
mean some of these purported parties at

813
00:32:08,450 --> 00:32:06,779
mansions in Upstate New York that

814
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:08,460
involve minor girls and a lot of this

815
00:32:12,649 --> 00:32:10,440
kind of weird eyes-wide shut kind of

816
00:32:14,149 --> 00:32:12,659
thing you know I would also probably

817
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:14,159
throw in a lot of the stuff with

818
00:32:18,590 --> 00:32:15,840
fundamentalist Mormonism which I just

819
00:32:20,389 --> 00:32:18,600
did a um presentation one of the strange

820
00:32:22,190 --> 00:32:20,399
realities con which none of the people

821
00:32:24,110 --> 00:32:22,200
who get into the pizzagate stuff ever

822
00:32:26,029 --> 00:32:24,120
seem to really talk about a lot despite

823
00:32:27,889 --> 00:32:26,039
the rather Litany of evidence that

824
00:32:29,690 --> 00:32:27,899
Warren Jeffs was running a major sex

825
00:32:32,029 --> 00:32:29,700
trafficking ring or the fact that the

826
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:32,039
LeBaron family were providing roles to

827
00:32:39,289 --> 00:32:36,000
uh Nexium from Mexico but yeah that

828
00:32:40,549 --> 00:32:39,299
doesn't really get dressed a lot see the

829
00:32:42,590 --> 00:32:40,559
whole thing again kind of getting back

830
00:32:44,570 --> 00:32:42,600
to what I'm saying with pizzagate is the

831
00:32:47,570 --> 00:32:44,580
substance the allegations about Comet

832
00:32:49,490 --> 00:32:47,580
Ping Pong Alex did you see any evidence

833
00:32:53,389 --> 00:32:49,500
at all that there were dungeons beneath

834
00:32:55,430 --> 00:32:53,399
Comet Ping Pong can you show that to me

835
00:32:59,149 --> 00:32:55,440
well this one I don't understand when

836
00:33:00,649 --> 00:32:59,159
people uh draw that line it's like we're

837
00:33:02,750 --> 00:33:00,659
never gonna know

838
00:33:04,850 --> 00:33:02,760
any of this we're never there's people

839
00:33:07,490 --> 00:33:04,860
who you know you went off on the Kennedy

840
00:33:10,070 --> 00:33:07,500
assassination I'll plug you for a clip

841
00:33:11,750 --> 00:33:10,080
in a minute if you want but I mean has

842
00:33:14,090 --> 00:33:11,760
there been like has there been a single

843
00:33:16,009 --> 00:33:14,100
you know child who's has actually come

844
00:33:18,049 --> 00:33:16,019
forward if you said specifically that

845
00:33:19,909 --> 00:33:18,059
they were abused at Comet Ping Pong

846
00:33:21,409 --> 00:33:19,919
because why do people have come forward

847
00:33:22,730 --> 00:33:21,419
with the Detroit Affair they've come

848
00:33:24,950 --> 00:33:22,740
forward with Franklin they've come

849
00:33:27,110 --> 00:33:24,960
forward with Epstein but I mean has

850
00:33:28,909 --> 00:33:27,120
anybody come forward though specifically

851
00:33:30,649 --> 00:33:28,919
who claims that they were held captive

852
00:33:32,690 --> 00:33:30,659
at pizzagate and the dungeons underneath

853
00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:32,700
and in here let me try and respond to

854
00:33:35,509 --> 00:33:33,720
that

855
00:33:38,509 --> 00:33:35,519
I don't think we're at the point where

856
00:33:40,850 --> 00:33:38,519
we can answer that question and the

857
00:33:43,610 --> 00:33:40,860
reason that we can't I would suggest is

858
00:33:45,830 --> 00:33:43,620
in the Good Morning America video which

859
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,840
to me you know we've both covered these

860
00:33:50,690 --> 00:33:48,000
kind of things when it is covered up to

861
00:33:53,090 --> 00:33:50,700
that extent that don't look here don't

862
00:33:55,370 --> 00:33:53,100
mention pizza cake remember Pizza gate

863
00:33:58,190 --> 00:33:55,380
was scrubbed from the internet remember

864
00:34:00,409 --> 00:33:58,200
James elephantis became this person that

865
00:34:03,529 --> 00:34:00,419
should be defended over and over again

866
00:34:05,810 --> 00:34:03,539
rather than investigated so the emails

867
00:34:07,070 --> 00:34:05,820
should have been fully investigated the

868
00:34:09,290 --> 00:34:07,080
source of the email should have been

869
00:34:10,790 --> 00:34:09,300
fully investigated the implications of

870
00:34:12,950 --> 00:34:10,800
the emails should have been fully

871
00:34:15,109 --> 00:34:12,960
investigated but they weren't and the

872
00:34:17,629 --> 00:34:15,119
reason that they were and a method that

873
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:17,639
they would that was used to kind of

874
00:34:22,669 --> 00:34:20,639
thwart that investigation was this kind

875
00:34:24,530 --> 00:34:22,679
of fake news oh my God look at how

876
00:34:26,869 --> 00:34:24,540
dangerous these conspiracy theorists are

877
00:34:28,790 --> 00:34:26,879
so we never got to the point where we

878
00:34:30,710 --> 00:34:28,800
can answer those questions so I don't

879
00:34:33,470 --> 00:34:30,720
think it's fair to say that James

880
00:34:37,069 --> 00:34:33,480
alifantis is up to his I won't even say

881
00:34:40,609 --> 00:34:37,079
it he's up to his neck in this stuff and

882
00:34:42,530 --> 00:34:40,619
he he is not clean in my opinion anyone

883
00:34:45,109 --> 00:34:42,540
who goes you know the archived all of

884
00:34:48,409 --> 00:34:45,119
his Instagram posts all of his Facebook

885
00:34:50,450 --> 00:34:48,419
posts it is not somebody who's clean go

886
00:34:53,089 --> 00:34:50,460
look go have anyone go look at that and

887
00:34:54,950 --> 00:34:53,099
say and say James elephantis wants to uh

888
00:34:58,490 --> 00:34:54,960
babysit your kids this weekend what do

889
00:35:00,589 --> 00:34:58,500
you think anyone would say [\h__\h] no so do

890
00:35:02,810 --> 00:35:00,599
we know do we know if their kids are no

891
00:35:06,349 --> 00:35:02,820
we don't do we know that the whole thing

892
00:35:08,690 --> 00:35:06,359
was shut down in a very a very just

893
00:35:10,430 --> 00:35:08,700
standard way that they shut these things

894
00:35:13,430 --> 00:35:10,440
down

895
00:35:15,349 --> 00:35:13,440
I mean yes elephantis does seem to have

896
00:35:16,609 --> 00:35:15,359
some sketchy stuff in his background and

897
00:35:19,670 --> 00:35:16,619
I mean certainly some of the other

898
00:35:21,950 --> 00:35:19,680
customers that were there but again I

899
00:35:24,349 --> 00:35:21,960
just in looking at pizzagate I don't see

900
00:35:26,329 --> 00:35:24,359
the same kind of Smoking Gun evidence at

901
00:35:28,130 --> 00:35:26,339
the specific allegations as to what was

902
00:35:29,810 --> 00:35:28,140
happening at Comic ping pong as I'm

903
00:35:31,190 --> 00:35:29,820
saying why is that important to you why

904
00:35:34,130 --> 00:35:31,200
is it important to you that that you

905
00:35:35,569 --> 00:35:34,140
nail that down because needing proof I

906
00:35:36,829 --> 00:35:35,579
mean shouldn't you demand I mean to me

907
00:35:37,970 --> 00:35:36,839
it goes back to the whole notion

908
00:35:40,370 --> 00:35:37,980
extraordinary claims require

909
00:35:42,109 --> 00:35:40,380
extraordinary proof and that is a

910
00:35:44,630 --> 00:35:42,119
complete you know what that's that's one

911
00:35:47,450 --> 00:35:44,640
thing that scientists that Skeptics use

912
00:35:51,230 --> 00:35:47,460
to attack science and you know that is

913
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:51,240
so unscientific it is because in science

914
00:35:55,010 --> 00:35:52,740
there's no such thing as an

915
00:35:56,329 --> 00:35:55,020
extraordinary claim that assumes there's

916
00:35:58,069 --> 00:35:56,339
some meta knowledge that there's

917
00:36:00,109 --> 00:35:58,079
somebody up there that's deciding well

918
00:36:01,730 --> 00:36:00,119
that's extraordinary that isn't that is

919
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,740
extraordinary proof that isn't that's

920
00:36:06,230 --> 00:36:04,079
the whole purpose of science is to

921
00:36:08,030 --> 00:36:06,240
remove us from the biases that we know

922
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:08,040
we have I would say that's the same

923
00:36:11,569 --> 00:36:09,780
thing in the conspiracy game we're

924
00:36:14,270 --> 00:36:11,579
supposed to be removed from the fact

925
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:14,280
that you know we are supposed to be

926
00:36:18,470 --> 00:36:16,320
where there's smoke there's fire guys

927
00:36:20,750 --> 00:36:18,480
because if we're expecting to be

928
00:36:23,390 --> 00:36:20,760
firefighters and wait for the for the

929
00:36:25,670 --> 00:36:23,400
Flames to be burning it's not going to

930
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,680
happen that's you know what like the

931
00:36:30,470 --> 00:36:28,560
proof that you have with uh cunan it's

932
00:36:32,569 --> 00:36:30,480
all going to be it's all going to be

933
00:36:34,970 --> 00:36:32,579
circumstantial you do a great job of of

934
00:36:37,790 --> 00:36:34,980
trying to get us as close as we can but

935
00:36:41,390 --> 00:36:37,800
I I in my opinion we're pretty damn

936
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:41,400
close with elephantis and um

937
00:36:46,849 --> 00:36:44,280
Comet Ping Pong and the pattern that it

938
00:36:49,970 --> 00:36:46,859
that it connects to so many of these

939
00:36:51,410 --> 00:36:49,980
other crimes against children so I I

940
00:36:53,270 --> 00:36:51,420
just don't know why we have to kind of

941
00:36:56,270 --> 00:36:53,280
totally pull up and go oh my God that's

942
00:36:58,069 --> 00:36:56,280
just that's fish versus foul La

943
00:36:59,930 --> 00:36:58,079
pizzagate Pizza gate looks real enough

944
00:37:01,790 --> 00:36:59,940
to me how come we never talk about

945
00:37:03,650 --> 00:37:01,800
Spirit cooking why do we even talk about

946
00:37:05,870 --> 00:37:03,660
pizzagate and not talk about Spirit

947
00:37:08,329 --> 00:37:05,880
cooking that's what everyone was that

948
00:37:10,190 --> 00:37:08,339
that's what everyone was outraged about

949
00:37:12,050 --> 00:37:10,200
how much do you I mean how much play

950
00:37:13,430 --> 00:37:12,060
though online did Spirit cooking in this

951
00:37:16,190 --> 00:37:13,440
stuff get in comparison to the stuff

952
00:37:19,010 --> 00:37:16,200
with Warren Jeff's though or the LeBaron

953
00:37:21,050 --> 00:37:19,020
family's connection to Nexium

954
00:37:22,069 --> 00:37:21,060
well you know if we were going to get

955
00:37:24,710 --> 00:37:22,079
into

956
00:37:27,050 --> 00:37:24,720
like I'm much much more anti-religion

957
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,060
than you are I think religions are are

958
00:37:34,930 --> 00:37:30,000
Cults up and down I I don't understand

959
00:37:38,990 --> 00:37:34,940
like Warren Jeff's and Mormonism

960
00:37:41,030 --> 00:37:39,000
extremely extremely cultish leaning on

961
00:37:43,310 --> 00:37:41,040
cultish principles it is it's just a

962
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:43,320
cult it just is a cult removed by a

963
00:37:46,970 --> 00:37:45,240
couple generations and I think the

964
00:37:49,790 --> 00:37:46,980
opportunities for abuse there are

965
00:37:52,010 --> 00:37:49,800
enormous I think their connections to

966
00:37:54,290 --> 00:37:52,020
the the darkest part of the Catholic

967
00:37:56,930 --> 00:37:54,300
Church are well documented I think the

968
00:37:59,089 --> 00:37:56,940
the sexual abuse that goes on inside the

969
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:59,099
the Mormon church and you can't paint a

970
00:38:02,589 --> 00:38:00,960
broad brush but I think it's it's

971
00:38:05,270 --> 00:38:02,599
there's just too many accounts of that

972
00:38:08,030 --> 00:38:05,280
apps are freaking lutely are you kidding

973
00:38:11,089 --> 00:38:08,040
me but I don't understand why people who

974
00:38:13,310 --> 00:38:11,099
are of a Christian bent or orientation

975
00:38:16,069 --> 00:38:13,320
how they how they seek to separate

976
00:38:19,490 --> 00:38:16,079
themselves from oh well that's Warren

977
00:38:21,050 --> 00:38:19,500
Jeff's oh that's uh David koresh in the

978
00:38:23,390 --> 00:38:21,060
Branch Davidians that well that's

979
00:38:26,690 --> 00:38:23,400
Seventh Day Adventist no they're all

980
00:38:29,810 --> 00:38:26,700
it's all the same origins of the same

981
00:38:31,250 --> 00:38:29,820
cult and if you you know what I get in

982
00:38:32,930 --> 00:38:31,260
trouble with people who are religious

983
00:38:34,130 --> 00:38:32,940
when I say you're talking about you have

984
00:38:36,470 --> 00:38:34,140
a personal relationship with Christ

985
00:38:38,270 --> 00:38:36,480
Consciousness like oh no no don't give

986
00:38:40,370 --> 00:38:38,280
me that Gnostic [\h__\h] no it's Jesus

987
00:38:43,130 --> 00:38:40,380
it's like well you're not talking about

988
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:43,140
like a physical guy they'd be 2 000

989
00:38:48,650 --> 00:38:45,060
years old you're talking about some

990
00:38:51,650 --> 00:38:48,660
extra Consciousness Connection that you

991
00:38:54,109 --> 00:38:51,660
have so now we're all in the same soup

992
00:38:55,609 --> 00:38:54,119
but the historical Jesus thing do you

993
00:38:58,010 --> 00:38:55,619
think there was a historical Jesus do

994
00:39:00,530 --> 00:38:58,020
you think that stands up to scrutiny

995
00:39:02,990 --> 00:39:00,540
uh I think that's probably above my pay

996
00:39:06,109 --> 00:39:03,000
grade I haven't really contemplated that

997
00:39:07,790 --> 00:39:06,119
one enough to uh really weigh in on us

998
00:39:09,470 --> 00:39:07,800
but I mean you know just kind of getting

999
00:39:11,690 --> 00:39:09,480
back to like what I'm saying I mean it's

1000
00:39:13,790 --> 00:39:11,700
like okay the stuff with the spirit

1001
00:39:16,670 --> 00:39:13,800
cooking thing is really weird and the

1002
00:39:19,190 --> 00:39:16,680
art is very provocative but I mean as

1003
00:39:22,069 --> 00:39:19,200
far as I'm aware you know we don't have

1004
00:39:23,930 --> 00:39:22,079
him hard and damning evidence that there

1005
00:39:26,930 --> 00:39:23,940
was anything more than performance arts

1006
00:39:29,270 --> 00:39:26,940
of this conversely the FBI has a

1007
00:39:31,730 --> 00:39:29,280
recording of Warren Jeffs raping a 12

1008
00:39:34,130 --> 00:39:31,740
year old girl on top of a temple altar

1009
00:39:37,849 --> 00:39:34,140
while multiple one a multiple of his

1010
00:39:40,490 --> 00:39:37,859
wives watched this blessed events okay

1011
00:39:42,650 --> 00:39:40,500
for some reason though despite the other

1012
00:39:44,270 --> 00:39:42,660
allegations that just have ranches all

1013
00:39:46,190 --> 00:39:44,280
over the Southwest that you know

1014
00:39:47,690 --> 00:39:46,200
underage girls and underage boys for

1015
00:39:49,430 --> 00:39:47,700
that matter were being ferried back and

1016
00:39:51,890 --> 00:39:49,440
forth to these ranches so that the

1017
00:39:53,390 --> 00:39:51,900
church hierarchy could abuse them it

1018
00:39:55,250 --> 00:39:53,400
doesn't seem like a lot of these

1019
00:39:57,530 --> 00:39:55,260
alternative investigators care a lot

1020
00:39:59,089 --> 00:39:57,540
about this kind of stuff even though the

1021
00:40:00,950 --> 00:39:59,099
amount of evidence we have of this kind

1022
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:00,960
of sex trafficking going on for some of

1023
00:40:06,349 --> 00:40:03,359
these weird sex in the Southwest is a

1024
00:40:07,730 --> 00:40:06,359
lot more uh conclusive and compelling I

1025
00:40:09,829 --> 00:40:07,740
would argue than what we have for pizza

1026
00:40:11,150 --> 00:40:09,839
Gates and I mean you could go into some

1027
00:40:13,430 --> 00:40:11,160
of the other compounds like Colorado

1028
00:40:15,170 --> 00:40:13,440
City or um Jesus you know the whole

1029
00:40:17,089 --> 00:40:15,180
Phenomenon with lost boys that have

1030
00:40:19,010 --> 00:40:17,099
happened or the Kingston family or any

1031
00:40:20,809 --> 00:40:19,020
of these other groups I mean this is

1032
00:40:22,849 --> 00:40:20,819
sort of like what I find baffling about

1033
00:40:24,530 --> 00:40:22,859
this is where are all the cube tards

1034
00:40:26,390 --> 00:40:24,540
where are all the pizzagate people when

1035
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,400
you can look at a freaking cult like

1036
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:29,520
this that's I mean Colorado city is

1037
00:40:34,190 --> 00:40:32,640
within I believe 40-minute drive of the

1038
00:40:36,050 --> 00:40:34,200
headquarters of the Best Friends Animal

1039
00:40:38,210 --> 00:40:36,060
Society which used to be the process

1040
00:40:40,670 --> 00:40:38,220
Church of the family judgments another

1041
00:40:43,069 --> 00:40:40,680
cult that also had an uncanny ability of

1042
00:40:44,930 --> 00:40:43,079
losing children over the years isn't

1043
00:40:47,450 --> 00:40:44,940
that kind of odd that these two sex are

1044
00:40:50,089 --> 00:40:47,460
within you know a freaking uh less than

1045
00:40:51,950 --> 00:40:50,099
an hour's Drive of one another I mean

1046
00:40:54,170 --> 00:40:51,960
you know I get what you're saying but

1047
00:40:55,790 --> 00:40:54,180
when I look at the amount well I I I

1048
00:40:58,550 --> 00:40:55,800
don't think you get what I'm saying

1049
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,560
because we should be agreeing see I I

1050
00:41:02,690 --> 00:41:00,480
think the when you said above your pay

1051
00:41:04,910 --> 00:41:02,700
grade number one it sure is [\h__\h]

1052
00:41:08,030 --> 00:41:04,920
above your prey pay grade buddy you you

1053
00:41:10,910 --> 00:41:08,040
are a better investigator by a factor of

1054
00:41:13,510 --> 00:41:10,920
10 that I am but you are sidestepping

1055
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:13,520
the issue and the issue is

1056
00:41:18,530 --> 00:41:16,800
Christianity hold up to scrutiny or as

1057
00:41:21,410 --> 00:41:18,540
you pull it apart does it start looking

1058
00:41:24,710 --> 00:41:21,420
more and more like a cult and these

1059
00:41:27,470 --> 00:41:24,720
offshoots that we have of it today

1060
00:41:28,930 --> 00:41:27,480
Are radically radically Over the Top

1061
00:41:31,609 --> 00:41:28,940
Cults so

1062
00:41:34,730 --> 00:41:31,619
Jeff's and uh all the rest of that stuff

1063
00:41:36,170 --> 00:41:34,740
I got it but the reason the answer to

1064
00:41:38,450 --> 00:41:36,180
your question why that doesn't get

1065
00:41:40,490 --> 00:41:38,460
investigated is because at some deep

1066
00:41:42,230 --> 00:41:40,500
level you know I grew up in the in the

1067
00:41:43,609 --> 00:41:42,240
church in the Greek Orthodox church and

1068
00:41:45,349 --> 00:41:43,619
let me tell you you want to talk about

1069
00:41:47,690 --> 00:41:45,359
mind control those guys have have it

1070
00:41:50,030 --> 00:41:47,700
figured out they all do but it is a deep

1071
00:41:52,670 --> 00:41:50,040
mind [\h__\h] right you're five years old

1072
00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:52,680
they're chanting there's incense waving

1073
00:41:56,270 --> 00:41:54,480
around you go up there and you kiss that

1074
00:41:58,490 --> 00:41:56,280
motherfucker's hand and he puts the

1075
00:42:00,950 --> 00:41:58,500
bread in your hand and it's like I'm

1076
00:42:02,510 --> 00:42:00,960
feeding you [\h__\h] and Jesus is up

1077
00:42:05,210 --> 00:42:02,520
there and he's bleeding with that little

1078
00:42:08,089 --> 00:42:05,220
cross and you know the [\h__\h] Jews

1079
00:42:10,370 --> 00:42:08,099
they killed this guy you got the whole

1080
00:42:13,430 --> 00:42:10,380
thing set up now that you're gonna play

1081
00:42:16,130 --> 00:42:13,440
out so when somebody says hey this

1082
00:42:18,530 --> 00:42:16,140
Mormon guy or this Branch Davidian guy

1083
00:42:20,809 --> 00:42:18,540
your first reaction is well pull up a

1084
00:42:22,730 --> 00:42:20,819
little bit because I am kind of in the

1085
00:42:24,589 --> 00:42:22,740
same soup with him I am a Christian he's

1086
00:42:27,109 --> 00:42:24,599
a Christian we both believe in Jesus

1087
00:42:28,730 --> 00:42:27,119
that's the reason they don't go there is

1088
00:42:31,609 --> 00:42:28,740
because they've been mind controlled

1089
00:42:34,609 --> 00:42:31,619
into this Christian cult thing

1090
00:42:37,430 --> 00:42:34,619
well again I mean it depends which

1091
00:42:38,990 --> 00:42:37,440
Christians you talk to I mean I a lot of

1092
00:42:40,910 --> 00:42:39,000
them I've talked to kind of like to

1093
00:42:44,450 --> 00:42:40,920
distance themselves from Mormonism and

1094
00:42:45,589 --> 00:42:44,460
probably not without reason but um yes I

1095
00:42:47,569 --> 00:42:45,599
would agree though with what you're

1096
00:42:49,730 --> 00:42:47,579
saying Christianity like essentially all

1097
00:42:51,829 --> 00:42:49,740
religions essentially had its Origins as

1098
00:42:53,870 --> 00:42:51,839
occult I mean you know that's basically

1099
00:42:56,569 --> 00:42:53,880
kind of how I think the chain works you

1100
00:42:58,250 --> 00:42:56,579
know uh you cease being a cult and

1101
00:42:59,809 --> 00:42:58,260
become a religion once you've uh I

1102
00:43:02,870 --> 00:42:59,819
suppose gained a certain degree of

1103
00:43:04,609 --> 00:43:02,880
official support so what about my

1104
00:43:05,870 --> 00:43:04,619
thought because I I really want your

1105
00:43:09,530 --> 00:43:05,880
opinion on that I don't just want to

1106
00:43:12,950 --> 00:43:09,540
rant I I know that for myself it's taken

1107
00:43:14,630 --> 00:43:12,960
a lot of processing to get to the point

1108
00:43:15,710 --> 00:43:14,640
like I'm gonna say something I'm not a

1109
00:43:17,809 --> 00:43:15,720
Christian

1110
00:43:21,470 --> 00:43:17,819
do you know how hard that was for me to

1111
00:43:23,870 --> 00:43:21,480
say as an adult as a grown man knowing

1112
00:43:25,910 --> 00:43:23,880
virtually all the things I know now I I

1113
00:43:27,950 --> 00:43:25,920
still couldn't quite get the words out

1114
00:43:29,569 --> 00:43:27,960
of my mouth for fear that I didn't know

1115
00:43:32,030 --> 00:43:29,579
what I was afraid of but I couldn't say

1116
00:43:33,530 --> 00:43:32,040
it hey I'm big into near-death

1117
00:43:36,530 --> 00:43:33,540
experience science because I think it

1118
00:43:39,410 --> 00:43:36,540
shows the Divinity it shows that there

1119
00:43:41,930 --> 00:43:39,420
is a connection there's uh we don't need

1120
00:43:44,390 --> 00:43:41,940
an intermediary we don't need someone to

1121
00:43:46,069 --> 00:43:44,400
jump in with a Bible and tell you what

1122
00:43:48,410 --> 00:43:46,079
your spiritual experience is how to

1123
00:43:52,010 --> 00:43:48,420
interpret it you can interpret it just

1124
00:43:54,950 --> 00:43:52,020
fine with your connection but the point

1125
00:43:56,870 --> 00:43:54,960
is we've been mind controlled anyone

1126
00:43:58,609 --> 00:43:56,880
who's gone through that upbringing and

1127
00:44:01,069 --> 00:43:58,619
unless you're really working at getting

1128
00:44:04,069 --> 00:44:01,079
past that of course it's popping up of

1129
00:44:05,990 --> 00:44:04,079
course that's why people who play those

1130
00:44:08,030 --> 00:44:06,000
chords on you that's why the Moonies

1131
00:44:09,470 --> 00:44:08,040
thing that you guys went into of course

1132
00:44:11,630 --> 00:44:09,480
it works because he latched on to

1133
00:44:12,890 --> 00:44:11,640
Christianity and I mean in essence I

1134
00:44:14,690 --> 00:44:12,900
mean I kind of think that's why

1135
00:44:16,670 --> 00:44:14,700
ultimately a lot of this stuff is far

1136
00:44:18,470 --> 00:44:16,680
more dangerous than you know the

1137
00:44:20,630 --> 00:44:18,480
pizzagate kind of stuff because I mean

1138
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:20,640
that you know I mean anytime I mean you

1139
00:44:23,990 --> 00:44:22,560
show this kind of spirits cooking stuff

1140
00:44:26,569 --> 00:44:24,000
too I mean a fundamentalist Christian

1141
00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:26,579
they're going to be triggered I mean the

1142
00:44:29,990 --> 00:44:28,380
whole thing I mean is going to trigger a

1143
00:44:31,970 --> 00:44:30,000
huge chunk of the population just

1144
00:44:34,010 --> 00:44:31,980
because of its very nature whereas like

1145
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:34,020
you're kind of saying I mean when you

1146
00:44:37,130 --> 00:44:35,640
look at some of the abuse that goes on

1147
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:37,140
to Christian churches it tends to be

1148
00:44:40,370 --> 00:44:38,640
mineralized because this is seen as

1149
00:44:41,930 --> 00:44:40,380
being a part of the background by so

1150
00:44:43,370 --> 00:44:41,940
many people in this country you know we

1151
00:44:44,990 --> 00:44:43,380
kind of take this type of stuff for

1152
00:44:48,170 --> 00:44:45,000
granted whereas I mean Spirit cooking

1153
00:44:50,450 --> 00:44:48,180
there's a certain novelty to it

1154
00:44:52,490 --> 00:44:50,460
but I mean you know from my perspective

1155
00:44:55,250 --> 00:44:52,500
though I do have to wonder given the

1156
00:44:57,890 --> 00:44:55,260
fact that there is a lack of concrete

1157
00:44:58,910 --> 00:44:57,900
evidence as uh in terms of like what you

1158
00:45:01,069 --> 00:44:58,920
could find in some of these other

1159
00:45:03,050 --> 00:45:01,079
incidents that we've discussed

1160
00:45:05,050 --> 00:45:03,060
it has to be in my mind a question of

1161
00:45:07,430 --> 00:45:05,060
whether or not was this disinformation

1162
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:07,440
especially coming on the heels of the

1163
00:45:10,490 --> 00:45:08,640
whole thing with Epstein and Jimmy

1164
00:45:13,250 --> 00:45:10,500
Savile which is what makes it even more

1165
00:45:15,589 --> 00:45:13,260
sketchy to me I mean you know Franklin

1166
00:45:17,329 --> 00:45:15,599
we got some good stuff out of Detroit we

1167
00:45:19,010 --> 00:45:17,339
got even more compelling stuff out of

1168
00:45:20,990 --> 00:45:19,020
but I mean when you had Jimmy Savile

1169
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,000
break out in the UK and Epstein in the

1170
00:45:26,270 --> 00:45:24,480
U.S I mean now it was actually a common

1171
00:45:27,710 --> 00:45:26,280
thing for normal people you know the

1172
00:45:29,510 --> 00:45:27,720
streets the kind of people that I work

1173
00:45:31,130 --> 00:45:29,520
with in a kitchen to acknowledge that

1174
00:45:33,530 --> 00:45:31,140
the elites really do have these rings

1175
00:45:35,750 --> 00:45:33,540
that abuse children I mean that in and

1176
00:45:37,370 --> 00:45:35,760
of itself I think was a major Triumph I

1177
00:45:39,349 --> 00:45:37,380
mean whereas previously I mean a good

1178
00:45:41,089 --> 00:45:39,359
you know 10 15 years ago if you were to

1179
00:45:43,309 --> 00:45:41,099
suggest to you know the average person

1180
00:45:44,930 --> 00:45:43,319
in the street like well you know there

1181
00:45:46,550 --> 00:45:44,940
probably are some Wall Street brokers

1182
00:45:48,950 --> 00:45:46,560
out there who you know go around and

1183
00:45:49,910 --> 00:45:48,960
have sex with children sometimes they

1184
00:45:52,069 --> 00:45:49,920
probably would have thought you were

1185
00:45:53,690 --> 00:45:52,079
insane but I mean nowadays I mean in a

1186
00:45:55,069 --> 00:45:53,700
post-epstein world I mean nobody can

1187
00:45:56,690 --> 00:45:55,079
really deny that there's some kind of

1188
00:45:58,309 --> 00:45:56,700
reality to that

1189
00:46:00,170 --> 00:45:58,319
but I mean when you go in with something

1190
00:46:01,790 --> 00:46:00,180
like the you know I mean the whole thing

1191
00:46:04,309 --> 00:46:01,800
with pizzagate where it's like you know

1192
00:46:07,069 --> 00:46:04,319
we have a dungeon underneath a pizza

1193
00:46:08,630 --> 00:46:07,079
parlor in downtown DC

1194
00:46:10,250 --> 00:46:08,640
you know this is kind of bringing in

1195
00:46:12,710 --> 00:46:10,260
stuff into like almost what was that one

1196
00:46:14,450 --> 00:46:12,720
movie hostile or something like that but

1197
00:46:16,150 --> 00:46:14,460
John's closed the whole McMartin thing

1198
00:46:19,309 --> 00:46:16,160
for you right

1199
00:46:22,370 --> 00:46:19,319
the McMartin preschool is a is a replay

1200
00:46:26,390 --> 00:46:22,380
of that it's a replay of Comet Ping Pong

1201
00:46:31,370 --> 00:46:26,400
in that way in that they one they just

1202
00:46:33,890 --> 00:46:31,380
the job of a Satanist is to lie right so

1203
00:46:36,349 --> 00:46:33,900
I had Mitch Horwitz on my show and I got

1204
00:46:39,410 --> 00:46:36,359
him to admit that one he's a Satanist

1205
00:46:41,210 --> 00:46:39,420
and that two his one of his Inspirations

1206
00:46:42,290 --> 00:46:41,220
main Inspirations is Colonel Michael

1207
00:46:44,809 --> 00:46:42,300
Aquino

1208
00:46:47,150 --> 00:46:44,819
well you guys have done some great deep

1209
00:46:48,530 --> 00:46:47,160
dives into Aquino great great deep Dives

1210
00:46:51,470 --> 00:46:48,540
encourage people to check out the farm

1211
00:46:53,809 --> 00:46:51,480
and the shows I mean they're

1212
00:46:56,270 --> 00:46:53,819
professional liars I'm not saying Mitch

1213
00:46:59,150 --> 00:46:56,280
Horowitz is a professional liar but when

1214
00:47:01,370 --> 00:46:59,160
you go that route you lie that's part of

1215
00:47:03,829 --> 00:47:01,380
the it's part of the game it's part of

1216
00:47:06,470 --> 00:47:03,839
the if I can get away with it do with

1217
00:47:08,569 --> 00:47:06,480
that Wilt kind of thing so McNaughton

1218
00:47:10,069 --> 00:47:08,579
was alive from the beginning they just

1219
00:47:13,790 --> 00:47:10,079
lied their ass I'm saying those there's

1220
00:47:16,849 --> 00:47:13,800
nothing here it's it's satanic panic and

1221
00:47:20,210 --> 00:47:16,859
again John brison just got I got most of

1222
00:47:22,490 --> 00:47:20,220
my stuff from John on that yes it was of

1223
00:47:23,630 --> 00:47:22,500
course it was abuse the first thing that

1224
00:47:25,910 --> 00:47:23,640
they did is they had a three-year-old

1225
00:47:27,530 --> 00:47:25,920
kid come home and say you know this what

1226
00:47:29,030 --> 00:47:27,540
happened to me I'm bleeding where I'm

1227
00:47:30,829 --> 00:47:29,040
not supposed to be bleeding they take

1228
00:47:32,210 --> 00:47:30,839
him to the hospital the doctor and the

1229
00:47:34,130 --> 00:47:32,220
next doctor and the next Doctor they'll

1230
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:34,140
go this kid's been sexually abused

1231
00:47:39,049 --> 00:47:36,720
but they talked about tunnels they

1232
00:47:41,770 --> 00:47:39,059
talked about Dungeons under the house

1233
00:47:44,630 --> 00:47:41,780
and everyone did the big belly level oh

1234
00:47:47,030 --> 00:47:44,640
my God this satanic Panic look at all

1235
00:47:48,290 --> 00:47:47,040
these crazy Christians have flown off

1236
00:47:49,970 --> 00:47:48,300
the handle

1237
00:47:52,250 --> 00:47:49,980
what happened when they actually went

1238
00:47:54,530 --> 00:47:52,260
and searched for them they found tunnels

1239
00:47:56,870 --> 00:47:54,540
under that led over to the neighbor's

1240
00:47:59,210 --> 00:47:56,880
garage they found dungeons they found

1241
00:48:01,390 --> 00:47:59,220
all that [\h__\h] look at the Dutro pictures

1242
00:48:05,630 --> 00:48:01,400
that I just put up on the screen

1243
00:48:08,089 --> 00:48:05,640
dungeons tunnels kill rooms all that

1244
00:48:10,490 --> 00:48:08,099
[\h__\h] starts connecting the dots so all

1245
00:48:12,589 --> 00:48:10,500
I'm saying is when people just

1246
00:48:15,049 --> 00:48:12,599
I don't understand exactly where you're

1247
00:48:18,410 --> 00:48:15,059
sitting because again we live in a world

1248
00:48:20,809 --> 00:48:18,420
where exactly what you said is true that

1249
00:48:22,069 --> 00:48:20,819
the normies have been conditioned to

1250
00:48:24,290 --> 00:48:22,079
listen to that woman on Good Morning

1251
00:48:25,849 --> 00:48:24,300
America and the only thing they get out

1252
00:48:27,109 --> 00:48:25,859
of this the only thing they have the

1253
00:48:29,750 --> 00:48:27,119
only Association they have with

1254
00:48:32,809 --> 00:48:29,760
pizzagate is not this nuanced Franklin

1255
00:48:33,829 --> 00:48:32,819
Scandal you know Dutro none of that

1256
00:48:36,950 --> 00:48:33,839
nuance

1257
00:48:39,290 --> 00:48:36,960
the only thing they get is those damn

1258
00:48:41,930 --> 00:48:39,300
conspiracy theorists and that damn fake

1259
00:48:45,109 --> 00:48:41,940
news and it drives some people crazy to

1260
00:48:47,390 --> 00:48:45,119
go in and take an AR-16 onto this poor

1261
00:48:49,790 --> 00:48:47,400
innocent pizza guy that whole thing that

1262
00:48:52,190 --> 00:48:49,800
that narrative talk about up the fake

1263
00:48:54,589 --> 00:48:52,200
that narrative is fake I don't know how

1264
00:48:57,109 --> 00:48:54,599
you know what the real story is but

1265
00:48:59,150 --> 00:48:57,119
on which is more fake

1266
00:49:01,309 --> 00:48:59,160
Good Morning America is a lot more fake

1267
00:49:02,930 --> 00:49:01,319
than the spirit cooking narrative in my

1268
00:49:04,790 --> 00:49:02,940
opinion

1269
00:49:09,049 --> 00:49:04,800
well yeah I mean it's Good Morning

1270
00:49:11,210 --> 00:49:09,059
America certainly I mean to me it seemed

1271
00:49:13,309 --> 00:49:11,220
like it was a big trap I mean to try to

1272
00:49:15,049 --> 00:49:13,319
discredit a lot of people who have been

1273
00:49:17,270 --> 00:49:15,059
investigating a lot of this kind of

1274
00:49:19,490 --> 00:49:17,280
stuff for years I mean I suppose in a

1275
00:49:21,410 --> 00:49:19,500
sense you know you could maybe draw a

1276
00:49:23,150 --> 00:49:21,420
parallel to something like Kathy O'Brien

1277
00:49:25,069 --> 00:49:23,160
which also started to become really big

1278
00:49:26,930 --> 00:49:25,079
I believe in the early to mid 90s I mean

1279
00:49:28,549 --> 00:49:26,940
in the aftermath of Franklin or is it a

1280
00:49:30,530 --> 00:49:28,559
little earlier than that no no it's it's

1281
00:49:32,990 --> 00:49:30,540
a huge thing it's just so true that that

1282
00:49:34,609 --> 00:49:33,000
is like you always go right to level

1283
00:49:35,809 --> 00:49:34,619
three I don't know what to make of her I

1284
00:49:38,210 --> 00:49:35,819
mean I just don't know what to make of

1285
00:49:39,829 --> 00:49:38,220
her or I mean project Monarch which is

1286
00:49:42,170 --> 00:49:39,839
another thing I mean I talked to Hank

1287
00:49:44,510 --> 00:49:42,180
albarelli about this uh shortly before

1288
00:49:45,589 --> 00:49:44,520
he passed away Hank and as I'm sure you

1289
00:49:48,049 --> 00:49:45,599
know he's the author of a terrible

1290
00:49:49,970 --> 00:49:48,059
mistake uh Secret order I mean he

1291
00:49:52,010 --> 00:49:49,980
probably knew more about this you know

1292
00:49:54,530 --> 00:49:52,020
artichoke MK Ultra than any person who's

1293
00:49:56,569 --> 00:49:54,540
ever lived never found any evidence

1294
00:49:58,549 --> 00:49:56,579
Monarch in fact uh he had Tracked Down

1295
00:50:01,549 --> 00:49:58,559
the researcher who appeared to have been

1296
00:50:03,230 --> 00:50:01,559
the first one to have released it into

1297
00:50:05,210 --> 00:50:03,240
the public and he acknowledged to Hank

1298
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:05,220
that he had fabricated it

1299
00:50:10,690 --> 00:50:08,640
so I talked to Whitley strieber or ever

1300
00:50:12,950 --> 00:50:10,700
heard Whitley's story

1301
00:50:15,410 --> 00:50:12,960
is yeah I know who Whitley is now I've

1302
00:50:16,910 --> 00:50:15,420
never spoken to Whitley Streeper so when

1303
00:50:18,109 --> 00:50:16,920
I interviewed him one of the things I

1304
00:50:20,270 --> 00:50:18,119
didn't know

1305
00:50:23,270 --> 00:50:20,280
and it's out there but he just doesn't

1306
00:50:25,069 --> 00:50:23,280
talk about it very much MK Ultra victim

1307
00:50:26,390 --> 00:50:25,079
when he was eight years old San Antonio

1308
00:50:28,309 --> 00:50:26,400
Texas

1309
00:50:30,410 --> 00:50:28,319
the good Air Force guy come to the

1310
00:50:32,930 --> 00:50:30,420
parents and say you know what

1311
00:50:34,790 --> 00:50:32,940
your son is a gifted child and you guys

1312
00:50:38,450 --> 00:50:34,800
did the whole gifted child thing on your

1313
00:50:42,349 --> 00:50:40,730
I'm a gifted child actually I was like

1314
00:50:43,730 --> 00:50:42,359
you're a gifted child but we talked

1315
00:50:45,650 --> 00:50:43,740
about this no I was actually selected to

1316
00:50:47,349 --> 00:50:45,660
be in one of those secret schools I'm

1317
00:50:50,630 --> 00:50:47,359
curious I'm serious

1318
00:50:53,089 --> 00:50:50,640
I believe it I've talked to other people

1319
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:53,099
you know who else is a gifted child in

1320
00:50:58,670 --> 00:50:56,880
that way is uh Freeman fly you know

1321
00:51:01,490 --> 00:50:58,680
Freeman not sure if I'm familiar with

1322
00:51:02,750 --> 00:51:01,500
him uh he's got a good he's got a good

1323
00:51:04,609 --> 00:51:02,760
show and he's been around for a long

1324
00:51:06,589 --> 00:51:04,619
time doing this stuff same thing Freeman

1325
00:51:08,150 --> 00:51:06,599
I'm telling Freeman about this thing and

1326
00:51:11,030 --> 00:51:08,160
the gifted child and you know the gifted

1327
00:51:13,970 --> 00:51:11,040
child you know Epstein was gifted child

1328
00:51:16,910 --> 00:51:13,980
wouldn't surprise me he was

1329
00:51:20,270 --> 00:51:16,920
he wasn't at a young age you know thing

1330
00:51:22,130 --> 00:51:20,280
so uh and and Freeman fly's uh thing

1331
00:51:24,290 --> 00:51:22,140
when we say gifted child you know like

1332
00:51:26,329 --> 00:51:24,300
did you ever wind up going in any

1333
00:51:28,670 --> 00:51:26,339
programs or any special classes or

1334
00:51:30,109 --> 00:51:28,680
anything I took the testing for it they

1335
00:51:31,849 --> 00:51:30,119
were actually going to send me to one of

1336
00:51:33,410 --> 00:51:31,859
the special schools but my parents

1337
00:51:34,910 --> 00:51:33,420
decided against it because of the

1338
00:51:36,290 --> 00:51:34,920
distance between where we were at and

1339
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:36,300
where the school was at I think it would

1340
00:51:40,309 --> 00:51:38,160
have been like over an hour commute or

1341
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:40,319
something like that so dodged probably

1342
00:51:46,370 --> 00:51:42,960
for the best yeah yeah kind of eternally

1343
00:51:49,549 --> 00:51:46,380
grateful for that one so uh Freeman fly

1344
00:51:52,370 --> 00:51:49,559
for people who know him he's uh

1345
00:51:54,650 --> 00:51:52,380
gifted child they put him in a special

1346
00:51:56,930 --> 00:51:54,660
room check this out

1347
00:51:59,450 --> 00:51:56,940
again there's no proof you know and this

1348
00:52:01,549 --> 00:51:59,460
doesn't sound nefarious you know

1349
00:52:04,210 --> 00:52:01,559
Kaczynski you know we talked about this

1350
00:52:06,710 --> 00:52:04,220
last time Unabomber gifted child right

1351
00:52:09,290 --> 00:52:06,720
bomber Ted Kaczynski gifted child and

1352
00:52:11,510 --> 00:52:09,300
then goes to Harvard and you know as

1353
00:52:13,970 --> 00:52:11,520
part of the M Kelsey Freeman fly back to

1354
00:52:16,010 --> 00:52:13,980
it he goes to a room like kindergarten

1355
00:52:19,069 --> 00:52:16,020
and they just haven't memorized these

1356
00:52:20,990 --> 00:52:19,079
index cards all day long him and the

1357
00:52:22,370 --> 00:52:21,000
other guys he goes I'm looking back on I

1358
00:52:25,329 --> 00:52:22,380
don't know what they were doing but they

1359
00:52:28,370 --> 00:52:25,339
just memorizing index cards

1360
00:52:31,849 --> 00:52:28,380
whoa in a way you know to me that's

1361
00:52:33,470 --> 00:52:31,859
spookier than the spookiest ass MK Ultra

1362
00:52:35,450 --> 00:52:33,480
stories you hear because from an

1363
00:52:38,390 --> 00:52:35,460
educational standpoint what possible is

1364
00:52:40,250 --> 00:52:38,400
there is memorizing it's interesting but

1365
00:52:43,250 --> 00:52:40,260
it kind of seems like memory is a big

1366
00:52:44,870 --> 00:52:43,260
part of this I think they have so many

1367
00:52:46,790 --> 00:52:44,880
different programs I'm going to stop

1368
00:52:49,670 --> 00:52:46,800
digressing return to Whitley street so

1369
00:52:52,970 --> 00:52:49,680
Whitley strieber is probably the one of

1370
00:52:55,250 --> 00:52:52,980
the best known uh UFO abductees

1371
00:52:57,829 --> 00:52:55,260
their his story he stayed with the story

1372
00:52:59,510 --> 00:52:57,839
he has physical evidence he has uh an

1373
00:53:01,790 --> 00:52:59,520
implant that he's had and he

1374
00:53:03,470 --> 00:53:01,800
photographed it they've done x-rays on

1375
00:53:05,569 --> 00:53:03,480
it but it love what a lot of people

1376
00:53:07,490 --> 00:53:05,579
don't realize is way back he's nine

1377
00:53:11,089 --> 00:53:07,500
years old and the Air Force guys in San

1378
00:53:13,250 --> 00:53:11,099
Antonio come and say hey buddy we your

1379
00:53:16,010 --> 00:53:13,260
kid ought to come in they bring him in

1380
00:53:18,230 --> 00:53:16,020
and it's Horror Story right kids locked

1381
00:53:20,450 --> 00:53:18,240
in Faraday cages kids being shown

1382
00:53:23,270 --> 00:53:20,460
animals being killed right before them

1383
00:53:25,910 --> 00:53:23,280
the whole trauma thing to create this uh

1384
00:53:27,349 --> 00:53:25,920
split personality of you know uh

1385
00:53:28,970 --> 00:53:27,359
disassociative identity thing which

1386
00:53:30,770 --> 00:53:28,980
comes up again and again and again you

1387
00:53:32,870 --> 00:53:30,780
hear it and then Kathy O'Brien spins

1388
00:53:35,150 --> 00:53:32,880
that but she spends it in such a fake

1389
00:53:37,190 --> 00:53:35,160
fantasy fanciful way I don't know if

1390
00:53:39,710 --> 00:53:37,200
she's legit or not but so much a part of

1391
00:53:41,450 --> 00:53:39,720
her story just can't be corroborated to

1392
00:53:44,150 --> 00:53:41,460
me that seems like a co-opting of the

1393
00:53:46,250 --> 00:53:44,160
story Whitley does not Whitley comes

1394
00:53:47,569 --> 00:53:46,260
back and he shattered the only reason he

1395
00:53:49,370 --> 00:53:47,579
he gets out of it is because he gets

1396
00:53:50,870 --> 00:53:49,380
really sick so they send him to a

1397
00:53:52,130 --> 00:53:50,880
hospital and his mom comes to the

1398
00:53:53,870 --> 00:53:52,140
hospital goes we're pulling you out of

1399
00:53:56,390 --> 00:53:53,880
that damn thing but apparently his

1400
00:53:58,849 --> 00:53:56,400
parents tell him that after a couple

1401
00:54:00,290 --> 00:53:58,859
weeks when the when the Air Force guys

1402
00:54:02,089 --> 00:54:00,300
would show up at the house he's nine

1403
00:54:03,349 --> 00:54:02,099
years old he would be hiding Up on the

1404
00:54:05,450 --> 00:54:03,359
Roof because he didn't want to go with

1405
00:54:06,829 --> 00:54:05,460
him but he somehow he is programmed not

1406
00:54:08,030 --> 00:54:06,839
to tell his parents that he wouldn't do

1407
00:54:09,530 --> 00:54:08,040
it so he was just doing it through this

1408
00:54:10,970 --> 00:54:09,540
action but the other thing that

1409
00:54:14,270 --> 00:54:10,980
Whitley's doing

1410
00:54:15,710 --> 00:54:14,280
is Whitley when this whole thing happens

1411
00:54:17,450 --> 00:54:15,720
years later

1412
00:54:19,849 --> 00:54:17,460
he's like trying to put together the

1413
00:54:21,349 --> 00:54:19,859
pieces which again is so true and does

1414
00:54:24,049 --> 00:54:21,359
ring true with the Kathy O'Brien story

1415
00:54:27,890 --> 00:54:24,059
is these people are kind of crushed so

1416
00:54:30,170 --> 00:54:27,900
they don't sound super credible in any

1417
00:54:32,750 --> 00:54:30,180
way because they're just fractioned of

1418
00:54:35,630 --> 00:54:32,760
what they were but he goes to the kid

1419
00:54:37,990 --> 00:54:35,640
across the street who was also in the

1420
00:54:41,750 --> 00:54:38,000
program this kid never leaves the house

1421
00:54:43,789 --> 00:54:41,760
dies at 50 in the house just couldn't

1422
00:54:45,589 --> 00:54:43,799
leave and he finds another one of his

1423
00:54:47,809 --> 00:54:45,599
friends and he goes yeah it's true they

1424
00:54:51,410 --> 00:54:47,819
came to my house too but my parents said

1425
00:54:53,809 --> 00:54:51,420
no when they heard about uh uh Skinner

1426
00:54:56,390 --> 00:54:53,819
you know the Skinner BF Skinner kind of

1427
00:54:57,770 --> 00:54:56,400
thing so he was able to piece the pieces

1428
00:54:59,569 --> 00:54:57,780
together but here's the other thing

1429
00:55:01,609 --> 00:54:59,579
about his story then he went down to

1430
00:55:03,829 --> 00:55:01,619
Mexico and he remembers them taking him

1431
00:55:05,390 --> 00:55:03,839
down to Mexico and being with the being

1432
00:55:07,609 --> 00:55:05,400
on these things where there were these

1433
00:55:10,010 --> 00:55:07,619
kids again you talk about the child sex

1434
00:55:11,329 --> 00:55:10,020
trafficking and the whole finders so

1435
00:55:13,970 --> 00:55:11,339
especially the whole thing with Mexico

1436
00:55:16,910 --> 00:55:13,980
yeah that's that's so that's that's

1437
00:55:18,589 --> 00:55:16,920
Whitney that's Whitney strieber uh kind

1438
00:55:21,470 --> 00:55:18,599
of just a little case a lot of people

1439
00:55:22,670 --> 00:55:21,480
don't know about so I don't know I I

1440
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:22,680
think

1441
00:55:26,870 --> 00:55:24,720
where there's smoke there's fire

1442
00:55:28,549 --> 00:55:26,880
yeah and that's I'm not trying to

1443
00:55:30,049 --> 00:55:28,559
dispute that there isn't a reality of

1444
00:55:31,370 --> 00:55:30,059
the allegations but kind of like what

1445
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:31,380
I'm getting at was like the whole thing

1446
00:55:36,230 --> 00:55:34,260
with monarch I mean I definitely think

1447
00:55:39,230 --> 00:55:36,240
that there was a basis in reality for

1448
00:55:41,750 --> 00:55:39,240
the Monarch allegations but the actual

1449
00:55:43,910 --> 00:55:41,760
allegations of project Monarch itself I

1450
00:55:45,950 --> 00:55:43,920
do think was a disinformation campaign

1451
00:55:47,210 --> 00:55:45,960
to try to throw people into false leads

1452
00:55:49,670 --> 00:55:47,220
it's kind of like the same thing with

1453
00:55:51,710 --> 00:55:49,680
Kathy O'Brien I don't know if she was a

1454
00:55:53,569 --> 00:55:51,720
willful disinformation agent maybe she

1455
00:55:54,950 --> 00:55:53,579
was just manipulated to say some of this

1456
00:55:56,809 --> 00:55:54,960
stuff but I do think it was an attempt

1457
00:55:59,030 --> 00:55:56,819
to try to put a lot of false Trails out

1458
00:56:00,530 --> 00:55:59,040
there and I think that this is true when

1459
00:56:02,450 --> 00:56:00,540
you get into almost all of the major

1460
00:56:04,730 --> 00:56:02,460
kind of Black Ops programs I mean you

1461
00:56:07,370 --> 00:56:04,740
know quote-unquote Tesla technology sex

1462
00:56:08,870 --> 00:56:07,380
trafficking Rings The Occult I just

1463
00:56:10,730 --> 00:56:08,880
think it stands to reason that you're

1464
00:56:12,770 --> 00:56:10,740
going to put out as much disinformation

1465
00:56:14,510 --> 00:56:12,780
surrounding these topics as you possibly

1466
00:56:16,690 --> 00:56:14,520
could to try to further obstruct the

1467
00:56:20,210 --> 00:56:16,700
truth from the public at Large

1468
00:56:22,910 --> 00:56:20,220
one thousand percent agree with that I'm

1469
00:56:25,730 --> 00:56:22,920
going to try and bring us back to uh the

1470
00:56:27,289 --> 00:56:25,740
qtards and the Q Anon thing because it

1471
00:56:29,990 --> 00:56:27,299
fascinates me and one of the things I

1472
00:56:31,970 --> 00:56:30,000
was floating out to you I'm selling to

1473
00:56:35,150 --> 00:56:31,980
you seeing if I can get you to buy off

1474
00:56:38,630 --> 00:56:35,160
on it is that there's a direct parallel

1475
00:56:40,609 --> 00:56:38,640
between the Pete's gate thing and the

1476
00:56:43,549 --> 00:56:40,619
and then they storm the capital thing

1477
00:56:46,670 --> 00:56:43,559
and it's just a rerun it's the same

1478
00:56:48,470 --> 00:56:46,680
method it's take something real which in

1479
00:56:50,690 --> 00:56:48,480
pizzagate was there were all these

1480
00:56:53,750 --> 00:56:50,700
people that were really really concerned

1481
00:56:56,450 --> 00:56:53,760
about Spirit cooking and the Satanist

1482
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:56,460
connection to the White House and they

1483
00:57:02,210 --> 00:57:00,000
buried that story by a crazy nut shoots

1484
00:57:05,210 --> 00:57:02,220
up a pizza parlor I think the same thing

1485
00:57:07,069 --> 00:57:05,220
happened with January 6th let me tee up

1486
00:57:09,289 --> 00:57:07,079
a couple of things and then I'll get

1487
00:57:12,109 --> 00:57:09,299
your opinion on it so here's a story

1488
00:57:16,190 --> 00:57:12,119
that breaks in revolver meet Ray Epps

1489
00:57:20,210 --> 00:57:16,200
the federal protected provocateur who

1490
00:57:22,490 --> 00:57:20,220
appears to have led the very first 1-6

1491
00:57:25,910 --> 00:57:22,500
attack on the U.S Capitol and I'll play

1492
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:25,920
a little video for people this is from I

1493
00:57:31,190 --> 00:57:27,720
just found their website and I thought

1494
00:57:33,710 --> 00:57:31,200
they did a decent job of it here take a

1495
00:57:41,030 --> 00:57:33,720
listen to that video Yeah in fact

1496
00:57:49,870 --> 00:57:47,530
we need to go in to the Capitol let's go

1497
00:58:06,430 --> 00:57:49,880
I'm probably going to go to jail

1498
00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:11,950
thank you

1499
00:58:34,530 --> 00:58:15,530
we go to the Capitol the capital of this

1500
00:58:38,109 --> 00:58:35,690
[Applause]

1501
00:58:40,250 --> 00:58:38,119
I could stop it there you know

1502
00:58:43,010 --> 00:58:40,260
my favorites

1503
00:58:45,890 --> 00:58:43,020
this is the Ray of Hope for me

1504
00:58:49,010 --> 00:58:45,900
it really is Stephen is when the guy he

1505
00:58:51,710 --> 00:58:49,020
gives this he is oh so obviously just a

1506
00:58:53,569 --> 00:58:51,720
provocateur a plant a Fed but the guy

1507
00:58:56,390 --> 00:58:53,579
you know he hasn't speaking of thing and

1508
00:58:59,030 --> 00:58:56,400
then the guy he goes fed fed fed like

1509
00:59:00,170 --> 00:58:59,040
that he exposes him instantly for what

1510
00:59:02,390 --> 00:59:00,180
he is did you see that in the video

1511
00:59:05,150 --> 00:59:02,400
where the guy the guy in the crowd like

1512
00:59:07,730 --> 00:59:05,160
you're [\h__\h] fake buddy you're not

1513
00:59:09,890 --> 00:59:07,740
real you've none of none of us really

1514
00:59:12,530 --> 00:59:09,900
talk about that and the other thing that

1515
00:59:13,870 --> 00:59:12,540
supports my point is why is everybody

1516
00:59:20,569 --> 00:59:13,880
there

1517
00:59:24,650 --> 00:59:20,579
real comfortable with a voter turnout of

1518
00:59:27,770 --> 00:59:24,660
a 106 percent in Wisconsin and they're

1519
00:59:30,530 --> 00:59:27,780
not real comfortable with uh you know

1520
00:59:33,109 --> 00:59:30,540
being 400 000 votes ahead in Michigan

1521
00:59:34,990 --> 00:59:33,119
and before you can even count all those

1522
00:59:37,970 --> 00:59:35,000
votes

1523
00:59:38,930 --> 00:59:37,980
through a machine the thing swings the

1524
00:59:42,170 --> 00:59:38,940
other way

1525
00:59:44,809 --> 00:59:42,180
people were mad because by any

1526
00:59:47,750 --> 00:59:44,819
International standard this election

1527
00:59:49,549 --> 00:59:47,760
looked fake I don't care I didn't vote

1528
00:59:51,710 --> 00:59:49,559
for Trump I didn't vote for Biden I

1529
00:59:54,470 --> 00:59:51,720
think the whole thing is a joke I think

1530
00:59:56,990 --> 00:59:54,480
Trump is a brand I don't think he's a

1531
00:59:58,789 --> 00:59:57,000
political figure politics do matter but

1532
01:00:00,410 --> 00:59:58,799
I'm not coming at it from that I'm just

1533
01:00:02,569 --> 01:00:00,420
coming at it from a kind of science

1534
01:00:05,809 --> 01:00:02,579
perspective where I sit and go the

1535
01:00:08,329 --> 01:00:05,819
numbers if if this was a an election in

1536
01:00:10,910 --> 01:00:08,339
Iran we'd just be going fake it's fake

1537
01:00:13,010 --> 01:00:10,920
you don't have a 95 turnout you don't

1538
01:00:15,170 --> 01:00:13,020
have a big swing like that but the point

1539
01:00:17,690 --> 01:00:15,180
I'm making is that that's what they were

1540
01:00:20,390 --> 01:00:17,700
protesting that's what they were

1541
01:00:24,109 --> 01:00:20,400
protesting so the whole narrative turns

1542
01:00:27,650 --> 01:00:24,119
into and then they stormed the capital

1543
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:27,660
these crazy conspiracy theorists this is

1544
01:00:32,809 --> 01:00:30,240
a repeat of pizza gate to me

1545
01:00:35,690 --> 01:00:32,819
what thank you I mean first off it's

1546
01:00:37,849 --> 01:00:35,700
just the thing about the election with

1547
01:00:39,829 --> 01:00:37,859
the 2021 that was so striking to me is

1548
01:00:42,170 --> 01:00:39,839
just how open it was that there was

1549
01:00:44,150 --> 01:00:42,180
fraud in it I mean I think that there

1550
01:00:45,650 --> 01:00:44,160
was probably fraud in every U.S election

1551
01:00:47,750 --> 01:00:45,660
I mean you know at least for the last

1552
01:00:49,490 --> 01:00:47,760
200 200 years or whatever if not like

1553
01:00:51,829 --> 01:00:49,500
all the way back to the origins but I

1554
01:00:53,329 --> 01:00:51,839
mean yeah the fact that I mean they

1555
01:00:55,250 --> 01:00:53,339
really didn't even make much of an

1556
01:00:57,410 --> 01:00:55,260
effort to try to cover up the fraud this

1557
01:00:59,030 --> 01:00:57,420
time around was just so staggering about

1558
01:01:00,710 --> 01:00:59,040
it I mean what do you make of that what

1559
01:01:02,390 --> 01:01:00,720
do you make of that I mean I think you

1560
01:01:04,430 --> 01:01:02,400
almost would have had something like

1561
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,440
this either way regardless of who

1562
01:01:08,270 --> 01:01:06,240
prevailed because I mean I think that

1563
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:08,280
you know if Biden won I mean as it ended

1564
01:01:11,870 --> 01:01:10,500
up being the case the Trump sides would

1565
01:01:13,730 --> 01:01:11,880
not see him as a legitimate president

1566
01:01:15,170 --> 01:01:13,740
and then conversely if Trump had pulled

1567
01:01:17,870 --> 01:01:15,180
it out the Biden people would not have

1568
01:01:19,250 --> 01:01:17,880
seen his legitimate president so I think

1569
01:01:20,990 --> 01:01:19,260
that yeah I mean kind of from the

1570
01:01:22,730 --> 01:01:21,000
beginning there was always this sort of

1571
01:01:24,230 --> 01:01:22,740
effort you know and arguably I mean it

1572
01:01:26,150 --> 01:01:24,240
could go back to when Trump assumed

1573
01:01:27,829 --> 01:01:26,160
office in 2016 with the whole Russia

1574
01:01:29,990 --> 01:01:27,839
gate narrative I mean it kind of seems

1575
01:01:31,670 --> 01:01:30,000
like hell I mean we could maybe even go

1576
01:01:33,650 --> 01:01:31,680
back to of the birth certificate but I

1577
01:01:35,569 --> 01:01:33,660
mean certainly I think with uh you know

1578
01:01:38,030 --> 01:01:35,579
Trump's presidency there was this whole

1579
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:38,040
push to try to make it seem like the

1580
01:01:42,289 --> 01:01:40,740
president himself is not legitimate uh

1581
01:01:43,910 --> 01:01:42,299
therefore I mean everything kind of uh

1582
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,920
coming from the government is not

1583
01:01:47,270 --> 01:01:45,660
legitimate so you know it's an

1584
01:01:48,890 --> 01:01:47,280
interesting kind of State of Affairs and

1585
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:48,900
this has only been kind of ratcheted up

1586
01:01:53,809 --> 01:01:51,599
with this just bizarre Street Theater

1587
01:01:55,789 --> 01:01:53,819
surrounding the uh 2020 election and

1588
01:01:59,270 --> 01:01:55,799
it's aftermath what do you what do you

1589
01:02:01,910 --> 01:01:59,280
make of their burying the story because

1590
01:02:03,470 --> 01:02:01,920
no one talks about what what you again

1591
01:02:05,690 --> 01:02:03,480
what you said you and I can talk about

1592
01:02:08,270 --> 01:02:05,700
and we're both nodding our head

1593
01:02:11,089 --> 01:02:08,280
most people don't get that they they do

1594
01:02:12,049 --> 01:02:11,099
not associate and then they storm the

1595
01:02:14,690 --> 01:02:12,059
capital

1596
01:02:17,809 --> 01:02:14,700
with election fraud there is no longer

1597
01:02:19,970 --> 01:02:17,819
that connection it's just not there

1598
01:02:21,529 --> 01:02:19,980
well I mean I think to some extent

1599
01:02:22,849 --> 01:02:21,539
though I mean the public has maybe

1600
01:02:24,710 --> 01:02:22,859
because I mean again you know we

1601
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,720
obviously had the questionable elections

1602
01:02:31,309 --> 01:02:27,119
with uh w i mean obviously the 2000

1603
01:02:33,710 --> 01:02:31,319
election the 2004 election obviously

1604
01:02:35,390 --> 01:02:33,720
uh I mean I kind of think to some extent

1605
01:02:37,069 --> 01:02:35,400
I mean even though it's been sort of

1606
01:02:38,870 --> 01:02:37,079
covered up I mean there has been a

1607
01:02:41,630 --> 01:02:38,880
certain resignation from the public that

1608
01:02:43,250 --> 01:02:41,640
I mean there is this kind of fraud

1609
01:02:45,049 --> 01:02:43,260
um gosh what was that survey that they

1610
01:02:46,430 --> 01:02:45,059
did I mean about eight years ago where

1611
01:02:47,930 --> 01:02:46,440
it was revealed essentially that the

1612
01:02:49,730 --> 01:02:47,940
American public no longer had any

1613
01:02:51,650 --> 01:02:49,740
bearing on foreign policy or really any

1614
01:02:54,529 --> 01:02:51,660
kind of policy anymore

1615
01:02:56,029 --> 01:02:54,539
that I mean yeah I mean there has been

1616
01:02:57,410 --> 01:02:56,039
that whole sort of Disconnect where I

1617
01:03:00,170 --> 01:02:57,420
mean it's just the elections really are

1618
01:03:01,730 --> 01:03:00,180
just kind of a side show so I mean I

1619
01:03:03,890 --> 01:03:01,740
think to some extent people take that

1620
01:03:05,750 --> 01:03:03,900
for granted but I mean yeah it has kind

1621
01:03:07,309 --> 01:03:05,760
of become this

1622
01:03:08,990 --> 01:03:07,319
I kind of see what you're saying I mean

1623
01:03:10,130 --> 01:03:09,000
it's almost like there was no reason you

1624
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:10,140
know in the sort of narrative that's

1625
01:03:13,970 --> 01:03:12,480
being put out now uh by the mainstream

1626
01:03:15,470 --> 01:03:13,980
media for them to try to storm the

1627
01:03:17,569 --> 01:03:15,480
capital without sort of understanding

1628
01:03:19,309 --> 01:03:17,579
that I mean people you know a lot of the

1629
01:03:21,470 --> 01:03:19,319
people that went there for the rallies I

1630
01:03:23,150 --> 01:03:21,480
mean were there for legitimate reasons

1631
01:03:24,710 --> 01:03:23,160
in the sense that they had real concerns

1632
01:03:28,130 --> 01:03:24,720
about the election fraud or other

1633
01:03:29,809 --> 01:03:28,140
factors involved in it and you know and

1634
01:03:32,930 --> 01:03:29,819
just in general I mean that's the big

1635
01:03:34,670 --> 01:03:32,940
thing I think about the January 6th you

1636
01:03:36,890 --> 01:03:34,680
know Incident That's

1637
01:03:38,569 --> 01:03:36,900
so unsettling in a lot of levels is just

1638
01:03:41,150 --> 01:03:38,579
the whole process of dehumanization

1639
01:03:44,150 --> 01:03:41,160
that's been you know embarked upon for

1640
01:03:45,829 --> 01:03:44,160
the people who participated in it I mean

1641
01:03:48,890 --> 01:03:45,839
obviously there were some people there

1642
01:03:50,930 --> 01:03:48,900
who were real scumbags uh Sean Moon uh

1643
01:03:52,670 --> 01:03:50,940
one of the uh heads of the offshoot of

1644
01:03:55,250 --> 01:03:52,680
the unification Church kind of comes to

1645
01:03:57,109 --> 01:03:55,260
mind Alex Jones Michael Flynn I mean a

1646
01:03:58,609 --> 01:03:57,119
lot of these same cast of characters and

1647
01:04:00,589 --> 01:03:58,619
those are the same people that will

1648
01:04:03,109 --> 01:04:00,599
probably never do a day in jail over any

1649
01:04:05,870 --> 01:04:03,119
of this or face any kind of serious

1650
01:04:07,190 --> 01:04:05,880
consequences and to some extent I mean I

1651
01:04:10,069 --> 01:04:07,200
think even the media has tried to

1652
01:04:11,329 --> 01:04:10,079
rationalize their behavior but you're

1653
01:04:13,069 --> 01:04:11,339
going to see a lot of average everyday

1654
01:04:15,529 --> 01:04:13,079
people I mean some of them have already

1655
01:04:17,089 --> 01:04:15,539
been horrendously tortured and you know

1656
01:04:18,650 --> 01:04:17,099
it's probably going to continue and more

1657
01:04:21,289 --> 01:04:18,660
to the point I mean it's also kind of

1658
01:04:23,510 --> 01:04:21,299
creating this you know mindset that uh

1659
01:04:25,549 --> 01:04:23,520
anybody I mean who legitimately

1660
01:04:27,349 --> 01:04:25,559
questions the outcome of the election is

1661
01:04:29,089 --> 01:04:27,359
this sort of nut job even those you're

1662
01:04:30,890 --> 01:04:29,099
kind of saying I mean there is ample

1663
01:04:32,630 --> 01:04:30,900
evidence that this election was tampered

1664
01:04:34,250 --> 01:04:32,640
with as many of them leading up to it

1665
01:04:36,829 --> 01:04:34,260
were tampered with

1666
01:04:39,950 --> 01:04:36,839
so I mean yeah it is kind of interesting

1667
01:04:42,589 --> 01:04:39,960
to see how you know we just sort of kind

1668
01:04:44,630 --> 01:04:42,599
of Embark upon this continuous push to

1669
01:04:46,970 --> 01:04:44,640
try to like depict legitimate grievances

1670
01:04:48,950 --> 01:04:46,980
as being like uh you know just coming

1671
01:04:52,069 --> 01:04:48,960
from this place of insanity if you will

1672
01:04:55,309 --> 01:04:52,079
you know look with that let's return to

1673
01:04:57,170 --> 01:04:55,319
Q Anon a little bit and the research

1674
01:04:58,609 --> 01:04:57,180
that you've done because I want you to

1675
01:05:00,770 --> 01:04:58,619
tell people

1676
01:05:03,289 --> 01:05:00,780
I've learned so much from your show I've

1677
01:05:05,329 --> 01:05:03,299
learned so much from your research and

1678
01:05:07,670 --> 01:05:05,339
you kind of turned me onto a bunch of

1679
01:05:09,770 --> 01:05:07,680
stuff about Q Anon that I found very

1680
01:05:12,529 --> 01:05:09,780
interesting in terms of

1681
01:05:14,150 --> 01:05:12,539
it's impossible to trace it back well in

1682
01:05:16,250 --> 01:05:14,160
terms of like what the people involved

1683
01:05:17,809 --> 01:05:16,260
their beliefs so you kind of do get back

1684
01:05:20,390 --> 01:05:17,819
to a lot of this stuff with like Michael

1685
01:05:21,770 --> 01:05:20,400
Kino with I mean General Paul valve and

1686
01:05:24,049 --> 01:05:21,780
I mean it kind of goes into this whole

1687
01:05:26,930 --> 01:05:24,059
concept of Mind Wars and that type of

1688
01:05:28,130 --> 01:05:26,940
stuff but I mean specifically I mean one

1689
01:05:30,950 --> 01:05:28,140
of the things that I've really been

1690
01:05:32,750 --> 01:05:30,960
looking at a lot uh you know was the

1691
01:05:34,670 --> 01:05:32,760
ties that a lot of this seems to have to

1692
01:05:37,670 --> 01:05:34,680
The Association of Former Intelligence

1693
01:05:39,349 --> 01:05:37,680
Officers uh which is again a thing where

1694
01:05:40,910 --> 01:05:39,359
you see a lot of the people in the queue

1695
01:05:42,230 --> 01:05:40,920
thing that they had membership in or

1696
01:05:44,150 --> 01:05:42,240
they had addressed I mean obviously

1697
01:05:45,950 --> 01:05:44,160
there's Robert David Steele the recently

1698
01:05:47,750 --> 01:05:45,960
deceased Robert David Steele you have

1699
01:05:50,029 --> 01:05:47,760
people like Eric Prince Michael Flynn

1700
01:05:51,950 --> 01:05:50,039
who are addressing this but I mean it

1701
01:05:54,230 --> 01:05:51,960
also ties into a lot of the people with

1702
01:05:56,809 --> 01:05:54,240
the Aviary I believe Hal put off as a

1703
01:05:59,089 --> 01:05:56,819
member of a John Alexander is a member

1704
01:06:00,710 --> 01:05:59,099
Michael Aquino not an Aviary bird but uh

1705
01:06:02,750 --> 01:06:00,720
certainly a guy who traveled in the same

1706
01:06:04,670 --> 01:06:02,760
circles was in the afio

1707
01:06:06,650 --> 01:06:04,680
and uh you know you got some other

1708
01:06:08,270 --> 01:06:06,660
interesting people in there too uh I

1709
01:06:09,710 --> 01:06:08,280
believe actually Mary pharaoh of all

1710
01:06:11,809 --> 01:06:09,720
people was a member of The Association

1711
01:06:14,650 --> 01:06:11,819
of Former Intelligence Officers and uh

1712
01:06:16,609 --> 01:06:14,660
Peter lavinda and there's another thing

1713
01:06:18,470 --> 01:06:16,619
there's another interesting thing about

1714
01:06:20,029 --> 01:06:18,480
the association too and that's the fact

1715
01:06:22,190 --> 01:06:20,039
that a lot of people involved in it were

1716
01:06:23,930 --> 01:06:22,200
never spies they're basically just con

1717
01:06:25,789 --> 01:06:23,940
men and grifters

1718
01:06:28,609 --> 01:06:25,799
uh one of them was a guy called James

1719
01:06:30,109 --> 01:06:28,619
Ingleton Jr who claimed that he was I

1720
01:06:32,210 --> 01:06:30,119
believe the grandson of the famous

1721
01:06:33,410 --> 01:06:32,220
spymaster that uh the Matt Damon

1722
01:06:36,470 --> 01:06:33,420
character and the Good Shepherd was

1723
01:06:39,470 --> 01:06:36,480
based upon and who had a lot of inside

1724
01:06:40,970 --> 01:06:39,480
information from his grandfather on the

1725
01:06:43,309 --> 01:06:40,980
Real History of the government's

1726
01:06:45,289 --> 01:06:43,319
involvement with extraterrestrials

1727
01:06:47,569 --> 01:06:45,299
uh needless to say it turned out that

1728
01:06:49,370 --> 01:06:47,579
this was pretty much all a fabrication I

1729
01:06:51,109 --> 01:06:49,380
believe angleton's uh James Jesus

1730
01:06:53,450 --> 01:06:51,119
engelsen's family even came out and said

1731
01:06:55,190 --> 01:06:53,460
that this James Jr guy had no family

1732
01:06:56,450 --> 01:06:55,200
connection whatsoever and he's never

1733
01:06:58,730 --> 01:06:56,460
been able to prove any kind of

1734
01:07:00,770 --> 01:06:58,740
connection as well and yet he actually

1735
01:07:02,930 --> 01:07:00,780
got supported by people from the Aviary

1736
01:07:04,730 --> 01:07:02,940
uh how put off went down and met with

1737
01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:04,740
the whole Miami chapter that he was

1738
01:07:08,450 --> 01:07:06,180
involved with

1739
01:07:10,370 --> 01:07:08,460
so and that doesn't even seem like it

1740
01:07:12,950 --> 01:07:10,380
was an isolated incident there was

1741
01:07:14,809 --> 01:07:12,960
another Florida Chapter that's a co- guy

1742
01:07:16,670 --> 01:07:14,819
who ran it was a guy named Henry Fisher

1743
01:07:18,470 --> 01:07:16,680
who eventually took over the American

1744
01:07:21,170 --> 01:07:18,480
Security Council and seems to have been

1745
01:07:23,569 --> 01:07:21,180
masquerading as an older KGB spy also

1746
01:07:26,450 --> 01:07:23,579
named Henry Fisher from the 70s

1747
01:07:28,190 --> 01:07:26,460
so it's kind of this murky background

1748
01:07:30,890 --> 01:07:28,200
where you have a lot of these people

1749
01:07:33,289 --> 01:07:30,900
like Michael Aquino who you know she

1750
01:07:34,970 --> 01:07:33,299
kind of alluded to has been linked to a

1751
01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:34,980
lot of strange things like procedo

1752
01:07:39,470 --> 01:07:36,900
potentially mind control stuff you got

1753
01:07:41,510 --> 01:07:39,480
people like John Alexander who did a lot

1754
01:07:43,789 --> 01:07:41,520
of uh work for years and non-lethal

1755
01:07:45,049 --> 01:07:43,799
weapons and whatnot and they're kind of

1756
01:07:46,970 --> 01:07:45,059
intersecting with a lot of these

1757
01:07:48,730 --> 01:07:46,980
grifters and these con men and this sort

1758
01:07:51,470 --> 01:07:48,740
of enigmatic group

1759
01:07:53,089 --> 01:07:51,480
larpers and that type of thing and

1760
01:07:54,770 --> 01:07:53,099
that's sort of where the lines a lot of

1761
01:07:56,809 --> 01:07:54,780
this stuff get really blurred I mean how

1762
01:07:58,309 --> 01:07:56,819
much of this is it a joke I mean how

1763
01:08:00,770 --> 01:07:58,319
much of this is some kind of elaborate

1764
01:08:03,349 --> 01:08:00,780
mind control effort and I mean is there

1765
01:08:06,230 --> 01:08:03,359
really a line anymore I mean it's it's

1766
01:08:08,930 --> 01:08:06,240
almost kind of the scary thing really

1767
01:08:10,910 --> 01:08:08,940
you know and so just let me throw out a

1768
01:08:13,010 --> 01:08:10,920
couple I got a ton of stuff that I'd

1769
01:08:15,289 --> 01:08:13,020
like to throw on the table there

1770
01:08:16,970 --> 01:08:15,299
Michael Aquino I think is is super

1771
01:08:19,010 --> 01:08:16,980
interesting because when I did the

1772
01:08:20,689 --> 01:08:19,020
interview with Mitch Horowitz who was a

1773
01:08:22,849 --> 01:08:20,699
regular on the History Channel

1774
01:08:26,269 --> 01:08:22,859
is the go-to guy on alternative

1775
01:08:28,849 --> 01:08:26,279
spirituality but is a Satanist and if

1776
01:08:30,950 --> 01:08:28,859
his inspiration is Michael Aquino then

1777
01:08:34,070 --> 01:08:30,960
it's worth looking at who Michael Aquino

1778
01:08:37,010 --> 01:08:34,080
is Michael the queen was discharged by

1779
01:08:39,590 --> 01:08:37,020
the Army because they found credible the

1780
01:08:41,450 --> 01:08:39,600
charges against him of child abuse and

1781
01:08:44,269 --> 01:08:41,460
when they investigate him at Presidio

1782
01:08:47,390 --> 01:08:44,279
they had like 60 kids come forward these

1783
01:08:49,970 --> 01:08:47,400
are kids between ages of two and six and

1784
01:08:52,490 --> 01:08:49,980
they were able to say yeah inside his

1785
01:08:54,709 --> 01:08:52,500
house that the walls are all black and

1786
01:08:57,410 --> 01:08:54,719
red and there's an altar of Bones and

1787
01:09:00,289 --> 01:08:57,420
specific stuff the police get a search

1788
01:09:04,249 --> 01:09:00,299
warrant they go into aquino's house

1789
01:09:07,910 --> 01:09:04,259
the walls are all black and all red and

1790
01:09:10,309 --> 01:09:07,920
he is involved in satanic stuff he has a

1791
01:09:12,289 --> 01:09:10,319
really weird family again what are we to

1792
01:09:14,930 --> 01:09:12,299
make of that again I'm not Christian so

1793
01:09:17,269 --> 01:09:14,940
I'm not even sure what Satanism is I

1794
01:09:19,849 --> 01:09:17,279
just know there's some energy that you

1795
01:09:22,130 --> 01:09:19,859
can tap into out there that I don't know

1796
01:09:23,749 --> 01:09:22,140
this but it seems to me that it's highly

1797
01:09:26,990 --> 01:09:23,759
suggestive that there's some energy you

1798
01:09:29,809 --> 01:09:27,000
can tap into that takes people in some

1799
01:09:32,450 --> 01:09:29,819
pretty evil places and it looks like

1800
01:09:34,309 --> 01:09:32,460
Aquino was definitely involved in that

1801
01:09:37,430 --> 01:09:34,319
there's a report in the San Jose Mercury

1802
01:09:40,130 --> 01:09:37,440
News about a kid who sees Aquino in the

1803
01:09:41,809 --> 01:09:40,140
mall and runs over to her dad she's six

1804
01:09:43,970 --> 01:09:41,819
years old and she's peeing her pants

1805
01:09:46,249 --> 01:09:43,980
because she goes there's that man so

1806
01:09:47,870 --> 01:09:46,259
this idea and Mitch Horowitz my

1807
01:09:49,550 --> 01:09:47,880
interview with him tried to defend a

1808
01:09:51,410 --> 01:09:49,560
queeno tried to say hey there's never

1809
01:09:53,450 --> 01:09:51,420
been any charges

1810
01:09:55,910 --> 01:09:53,460
again it sounds a lot to me like James

1811
01:09:58,010 --> 01:09:55,920
Alphonsus and Whey like hey Aquino was

1812
01:09:59,090 --> 01:09:58,020
never convicted in court right it was

1813
01:10:01,669 --> 01:09:59,100
never

1814
01:10:04,790 --> 01:10:01,679
[\h__\h] man the evidence and then Aquino

1815
01:10:09,350 --> 01:10:04,800
everywhere he goes there's charges of

1816
01:10:11,270 --> 01:10:09,360
him sexually in a satanic way sexually

1817
01:10:13,669 --> 01:10:11,280
abusing these kids and even in places

1818
01:10:15,350 --> 01:10:13,679
where we didn't know about it but he

1819
01:10:17,870 --> 01:10:15,360
gets published his picture gets

1820
01:10:19,910 --> 01:10:17,880
published in the paper and suddenly in

1821
01:10:23,149 --> 01:10:19,920
Oregon some kids come forward and they

1822
01:10:24,770 --> 01:10:23,159
look into it oh yeah he was there too so

1823
01:10:27,410 --> 01:10:24,780
there's so many interesting parts of

1824
01:10:30,830 --> 01:10:27,420
that so one Michael Aquino Colonel

1825
01:10:33,530 --> 01:10:30,840
Michael Aquino to me seems really really

1826
01:10:35,209 --> 01:10:33,540
dirty he's got a lot of explaining to do

1827
01:10:37,970 --> 01:10:35,219
that he's never done

1828
01:10:40,970 --> 01:10:37,980
the thing that's really hard to I think

1829
01:10:44,270 --> 01:10:40,980
for all of us to process is

1830
01:10:46,310 --> 01:10:44,280
he was Colonel Michael Aquino he was in

1831
01:10:48,290 --> 01:10:46,320
the military he was rubbing shoulders

1832
01:10:50,510 --> 01:10:48,300
with a bunch of other people who no

1833
01:10:52,669 --> 01:10:50,520
doubt knew what was going on and no

1834
01:10:55,729 --> 01:10:52,679
doubt we're participating in in some

1835
01:10:58,729 --> 01:10:55,739
level how put off is a super interesting

1836
01:11:01,010 --> 01:10:58,739
guy in this because he keeps popping up

1837
01:11:04,070 --> 01:11:01,020
again and again tell us what you know

1838
01:11:06,169 --> 01:11:04,080
about Hal put off and then we'll kind of

1839
01:11:07,669 --> 01:11:06,179
swap some stories unless you had

1840
01:11:10,130 --> 01:11:07,679
anything else on Aquino because again

1841
01:11:13,490 --> 01:11:10,140
folks go check out the farm

1842
01:11:16,669 --> 01:11:13,500
deep dive but does anything I said about

1843
01:11:18,350 --> 01:11:16,679
Aquino not fit with what you've found no

1844
01:11:20,330 --> 01:11:18,360
that definitely jibes with a lot of what

1845
01:11:21,830 --> 01:11:20,340
I've found about Aquino I mean it's uh

1846
01:11:23,450 --> 01:11:21,840
certainly an interesting figure and it

1847
01:11:25,310 --> 01:11:23,460
does kind of beg the question why so

1848
01:11:27,550 --> 01:11:25,320
many people from the Aviary uh became so

1849
01:11:30,110 --> 01:11:27,560
enamored with Aquino in the latter years

1850
01:11:31,430 --> 01:11:30,120
but uh with how it put off I mean

1851
01:11:34,130 --> 01:11:31,440
there's obviously a lot of stuff about

1852
01:11:35,390 --> 01:11:34,140
how that's really interesting but uh I

1853
01:11:37,130 --> 01:11:35,400
think one of the things that really

1854
01:11:39,050 --> 01:11:37,140
doesn't get talked about a lot was the

1855
01:11:41,209 --> 01:11:39,060
fact that both he and Russell targ had a

1856
01:11:42,830 --> 01:11:41,219
background and uh as laser physicist

1857
01:11:45,229 --> 01:11:42,840
before they got into the whole thing

1858
01:11:46,729 --> 01:11:45,239
with SRI which you know it might seem

1859
01:11:48,830 --> 01:11:46,739
really strange to people that you could

1860
01:11:50,330 --> 01:11:48,840
go from working on lasers to uh getting

1861
01:11:53,450 --> 01:11:50,340
into remote viewing but it actually

1862
01:11:55,970 --> 01:11:53,460
makes a lot more sense because uh lasers

1863
01:11:57,770 --> 01:11:55,980
are a big component of how in theory uh

1864
01:11:59,630 --> 01:11:57,780
non-lethal weapons I mean specifically

1865
01:12:02,570 --> 01:11:59,640
involving microwaves would be used to

1866
01:12:03,950 --> 01:12:02,580
Target individuals and uh that's kind of

1867
01:12:05,689 --> 01:12:03,960
a thing that's really interesting when

1868
01:12:07,070 --> 01:12:05,699
you look at a lot of the stuff with SRI

1869
01:12:09,410 --> 01:12:07,080
I mean it's how so many of the people

1870
01:12:10,669 --> 01:12:09,420
tied to it also ended up sort of in you

1871
01:12:12,229 --> 01:12:10,679
know this non-lethal way weapons

1872
01:12:15,350 --> 01:12:12,239
research or you know kind of came into

1873
01:12:16,430 --> 01:12:15,360
the same circles with that and um you

1874
01:12:18,350 --> 01:12:16,440
know I mean I kind of think a lot of

1875
01:12:20,330 --> 01:12:18,360
that probably goes back to the Notions

1876
01:12:22,550 --> 01:12:20,340
that the Russians possibly even the

1877
01:12:25,189 --> 01:12:22,560
Nazis were sort of working with uh ESP

1878
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,199
that you know it was uh a kind of

1879
01:12:28,790 --> 01:12:27,120
electromagnetic radiation or something

1880
01:12:30,770 --> 01:12:28,800
to that effect and in turn you could

1881
01:12:32,630 --> 01:12:30,780
also develop weapons that could uh

1882
01:12:34,669 --> 01:12:32,640
inhibit these mental facilities and so

1883
01:12:36,950 --> 01:12:34,679
faculties and so forth

1884
01:12:39,649 --> 01:12:36,960
so it kind of begs the question you know

1885
01:12:40,970 --> 01:12:39,659
I mean how much of the uh SRI stuff I

1886
01:12:43,910 --> 01:12:40,980
mean from the beginning had really grown

1887
01:12:45,290 --> 01:12:43,920
out of this uh weapons research and then

1888
01:12:47,209 --> 01:12:45,300
you know there's another interesting

1889
01:12:49,010 --> 01:12:47,219
component about this as well that kind

1890
01:12:51,169 --> 01:12:49,020
of goes into what you were uh

1891
01:12:52,790 --> 01:12:51,179
getting at with Aquino I think maybe and

1892
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:52,800
that's over there as well and that's

1893
01:12:55,610 --> 01:12:54,480
sort of the role that Colts have in all

1894
01:12:57,229 --> 01:12:55,620
of this

1895
01:12:59,270 --> 01:12:57,239
um again you know another thing that's

1896
01:13:01,130 --> 01:12:59,280
not really known about the SRI thing is

1897
01:13:03,590 --> 01:13:01,140
I mean so much of this really came out

1898
01:13:04,850 --> 01:13:03,600
of the Church of Scientology put off

1899
01:13:06,709 --> 01:13:04,860
have been working with the Church of

1900
01:13:08,030 --> 01:13:06,719
Scientology a lot of the early funding

1901
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:08,040
from it came from the Church of

1902
01:13:12,590 --> 01:13:10,260
Scientology you have a lot of other guys

1903
01:13:14,450 --> 01:13:12,600
Cleve Baxter for instance is another

1904
01:13:17,450 --> 01:13:14,460
interesting guy he had known Hubbard

1905
01:13:19,130 --> 01:13:17,460
since I believe 1950 uh he seems to have

1906
01:13:21,530 --> 01:13:19,140
been a participant in Project Bluebird

1907
01:13:22,850 --> 01:13:21,540
around that same time and then later he

1908
01:13:23,990 --> 01:13:22,860
would hook up with put off and I mean

1909
01:13:25,610 --> 01:13:24,000
help kind of provide some of the

1910
01:13:26,810 --> 01:13:25,620
inspiration for some of this work that

1911
01:13:29,689 --> 01:13:26,820
they were doing

1912
01:13:31,790 --> 01:13:29,699
so you know there is this sort of odd

1913
01:13:33,950 --> 01:13:31,800
component to this where it is this sort

1914
01:13:35,990 --> 01:13:33,960
of odd cult milieu that this you know

1915
01:13:38,990 --> 01:13:36,000
essentially military program later came

1916
01:13:40,729 --> 01:13:39,000
out of and you know that's I don't think

1917
01:13:42,410 --> 01:13:40,739
really an isolated incident I mean you

1918
01:13:44,209 --> 01:13:42,420
also have a guy like Michael Aquino who

1919
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,219
had set up his own Colts uh why he was

1920
01:13:49,250 --> 01:13:46,320
in the military but the temple upset and

1921
01:13:51,530 --> 01:13:49,260
uh I think that's a component that you

1922
01:13:53,630 --> 01:13:51,540
know we really need to look at more are

1923
01:13:55,729 --> 01:13:53,640
these uh sort of ties to these Fringe

1924
01:13:57,410 --> 01:13:55,739
Cults and uh you know some of this other

1925
01:13:59,149 --> 01:13:57,420
sort of weird stuff that's been going on

1926
01:14:02,330 --> 01:13:59,159
because it is a very relevant connection

1927
01:14:05,209 --> 01:14:02,340
and one that is just not understood

1928
01:14:06,890 --> 01:14:05,219
yeah there's so much to to talk about

1929
01:14:08,570 --> 01:14:06,900
just to give people a little bit of a

1930
01:14:10,729 --> 01:14:08,580
background so we're now talking about

1931
01:14:13,550 --> 01:14:10,739
Stargate we're talking about the remote

1932
01:14:16,610 --> 01:14:13,560
viewing program which is one of the few

1933
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:16,620
programs that has kind of been

1934
01:14:20,990 --> 01:14:18,960
uh you can't say out it because it looks

1935
01:14:22,790 --> 01:14:21,000
like a very controlled release of that

1936
01:14:25,070 --> 01:14:22,800
information that recently came out and

1937
01:14:26,570 --> 01:14:25,080
Russell targ did a movie and the movie

1938
01:14:28,250 --> 01:14:26,580
role they were even talking about it

1939
01:14:30,410 --> 01:14:28,260
openly in the 70s I mean they didn't

1940
01:14:31,490 --> 01:14:30,420
acknowledge the CIA involvement but I

1941
01:14:33,709 --> 01:14:31,500
mean yeah it was definitely being

1942
01:14:37,070 --> 01:14:33,719
acknowledged what they were doing though

1943
01:14:39,950 --> 01:14:37,080
Ted Koppel Nightline whole thing on it

1944
01:14:44,570 --> 01:14:39,960
back in the 90s like you're saying and

1945
01:14:47,810 --> 01:14:44,580
uh yeah and they it I I gotta believe I

1946
01:14:50,090 --> 01:14:47,820
mean my reading of it is that it was

1947
01:14:51,770 --> 01:14:50,100
leaked at some point that that really

1948
01:14:53,570 --> 01:14:51,780
wasn't intended to come out at that

1949
01:14:55,130 --> 01:14:53,580
point and then once it comes out then

1950
01:14:57,649 --> 01:14:55,140
you got to deal with it you know what

1951
01:15:00,709 --> 01:14:57,659
you're going to do with it but

1952
01:15:03,770 --> 01:15:00,719
so just so people know Stargate is

1953
01:15:06,050 --> 01:15:03,780
remote viewing psychics buying how can

1954
01:15:08,750 --> 01:15:06,060
we look at those Russian subs from

1955
01:15:11,530 --> 01:15:08,760
sitting in a room in Palo Alto well you

1956
01:15:13,729 --> 01:15:11,540
can do it you can go into this

1957
01:15:15,350 --> 01:15:13,739
systematic kind of Trance if you will

1958
01:15:17,270 --> 01:15:15,360
and then you can get there now I've

1959
01:15:20,030 --> 01:15:17,280
interviewed a ton of people

1960
01:15:22,790 --> 01:15:20,040
and that thing including the guy who

1961
01:15:24,410 --> 01:15:22,800
just wrote the biography on Ingo Swann

1962
01:15:27,310 --> 01:15:24,420
who was

1963
01:15:29,209 --> 01:15:27,320
you know the person who taught who

1964
01:15:32,390 --> 01:15:29,219
operationalized the remote viewing

1965
01:15:33,649 --> 01:15:32,400
program he was a very gifted psychic

1966
01:15:34,790 --> 01:15:33,659
and they told them what they were trying

1967
01:15:36,830 --> 01:15:34,800
to do and how they're playing around

1968
01:15:38,209 --> 01:15:36,840
with it and he said hey I think I can

1969
01:15:41,810 --> 01:15:38,219
show you how to do that I also

1970
01:15:44,990 --> 01:15:41,820
interviewed uh psychic spy number one

1971
01:15:48,350 --> 01:15:45,000
Joe mcmonagle who has an interesting

1972
01:15:50,930 --> 01:15:48,360
background because Joe mcmonagle has a

1973
01:15:53,510 --> 01:15:50,940
near-death experience he is a spy like a

1974
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:53,520
legit spy do you know his story

1975
01:15:58,010 --> 01:15:56,159
yeah a little bit about it so he's yeah

1976
01:15:59,209 --> 01:15:58,020
it was like what the it was 73 or

1977
01:16:00,530 --> 01:15:59,219
something that he had the near-death

1978
01:16:01,850 --> 01:16:00,540
experience and that's kind of like what

1979
01:16:03,169 --> 01:16:01,860
it got him interested in the sort of

1980
01:16:08,450 --> 01:16:03,179
woo-woo stuff

1981
01:16:09,050 --> 01:16:08,460
is

1982
01:16:12,350 --> 01:16:09,060
um

1983
01:16:14,750 --> 01:16:12,360
he's a spy he's on the East Berlin West

1984
01:16:17,450 --> 01:16:14,760
Berlin border and he's in a restaurant

1985
01:16:19,610 --> 01:16:17,460
and he he tells a story and it's just

1986
01:16:21,530 --> 01:16:19,620
like a spy story he goes like this is

1987
01:16:23,030 --> 01:16:21,540
where all the spies hung out you know

1988
01:16:26,090 --> 01:16:23,040
because this restaurant was around the

1989
01:16:28,310 --> 01:16:26,100
border and he starts feeling the effects

1990
01:16:31,550 --> 01:16:28,320
of being poisoned while he's at dinner

1991
01:16:33,470 --> 01:16:31,560
and he's like man I'm being killed and

1992
01:16:35,750 --> 01:16:33,480
he stumbles to the door

1993
01:16:37,910 --> 01:16:35,760
and some of his army buddies grab him

1994
01:16:39,590 --> 01:16:37,920
and throw him in a Jeep and are racing

1995
01:16:42,530 --> 01:16:39,600
him to the hospital

1996
01:16:44,510 --> 01:16:42,540
he leaves his body he's now outside of

1997
01:16:46,250 --> 01:16:44,520
his body he sees the Jeep the Jeep

1998
01:16:47,990 --> 01:16:46,260
drives up they find an ambulance they

1999
01:16:49,850 --> 01:16:48,000
put him in the ambulance he is still

2000
01:16:51,890 --> 01:16:49,860
observing all this stuff from the

2001
01:16:53,270 --> 01:16:51,900
outside this is near-death experience he

2002
01:16:55,010 --> 01:16:53,280
goes he has a rather incredible

2003
01:16:56,810 --> 01:16:55,020
near-death experience a spiritual

2004
01:17:00,010 --> 01:16:56,820
near-death experience connection to God

2005
01:17:03,110 --> 01:17:00,020
near-death experience all that stuff

2006
01:17:05,270 --> 01:17:03,120
the punch line to the story or the the

2007
01:17:07,189 --> 01:17:05,280
point that might be of interest to you

2008
01:17:09,770 --> 01:17:07,199
because you did say

2009
01:17:10,550 --> 01:17:09,780
you did what was the term you used stuff

2010
01:17:15,169 --> 01:17:10,560
um

2011
01:17:17,689 --> 01:17:15,179
anyways he shows up uh happens to show

2012
01:17:19,370 --> 01:17:17,699
up at SRI Stanford Research Institute

2013
01:17:21,169 --> 01:17:19,380
because they're well the ones now doing

2014
01:17:23,330 --> 01:17:21,179
the Stargate program they're doing the

2015
01:17:26,510 --> 01:17:23,340
spying on the Russians with psychically

2016
01:17:28,490 --> 01:17:26,520
and uh Joe mcmonagle shows up and he

2017
01:17:31,189 --> 01:17:28,500
looks across I can't remember if his Hal

2018
01:17:34,130 --> 01:17:31,199
put off a rifle tarp but it unseals his

2019
01:17:35,030 --> 01:17:34,140
secret personnel file and they pull out

2020
01:17:37,850 --> 01:17:35,040
of it

2021
01:17:39,110 --> 01:17:37,860
Raymond Moody's book about near-death

2022
01:17:42,470 --> 01:17:39,120
experience

2023
01:17:45,110 --> 01:17:42,480
which means to me and to us who really

2024
01:17:47,930 --> 01:17:45,120
know what's going on is they had already

2025
01:17:50,390 --> 01:17:47,940
made the connection that the extended

2026
01:17:52,910 --> 01:17:50,400
Consciousness realm that has something

2027
01:17:54,890 --> 01:17:52,920
to do with near-death experience

2028
01:17:58,430 --> 01:17:54,900
also has something to do with this

2029
01:17:59,330 --> 01:17:58,440
ability to remote view stuff at a

2030
01:18:02,209 --> 01:17:59,340
distance

2031
01:18:04,189 --> 01:18:02,219
and also has something to do since you

2032
01:18:05,870 --> 01:18:04,199
brought it up you know the Scientology

2033
01:18:08,510 --> 01:18:05,880
thing

2034
01:18:11,270 --> 01:18:08,520
people understand it from the way it's

2035
01:18:14,390 --> 01:18:11,280
kind of Tom Cruise kind of popularized

2036
01:18:17,149 --> 01:18:14,400
but that L Ron Hubbard [\h__\h] I

2037
01:18:21,050 --> 01:18:17,159
mean that's some interesting stuff

2038
01:18:23,270 --> 01:18:21,060
in the desert with Jack Parsons in

2039
01:18:27,169 --> 01:18:23,280
communication with Aleister Crowley

2040
01:18:30,470 --> 01:18:27,179
doing the the the Babylon thing to bring

2041
01:18:33,709 --> 01:18:30,480
forth the Antichrist again I interviewed

2042
01:18:35,390 --> 01:18:33,719
the guy from uh Ohio State University he

2043
01:18:37,370 --> 01:18:35,400
wrote the book on Scientology goes yeah

2044
01:18:40,189 --> 01:18:37,380
that happened they were in the desert

2045
01:18:42,169 --> 01:18:40,199
they were bringing forth that their goal

2046
01:18:44,510 --> 01:18:42,179
was to bring forth the Antichrist that's

2047
01:18:46,010 --> 01:18:44,520
who they were and you got to believe

2048
01:18:48,530 --> 01:18:46,020
that with all these connections like

2049
01:18:50,990 --> 01:18:48,540
you're saying with Aquino

2050
01:18:53,870 --> 01:18:51,000
the United States Military Intelligence

2051
01:18:58,130 --> 01:18:53,880
were not was not reluctant to go there

2052
01:19:00,590 --> 01:18:58,140
go there in the sense of well let's see

2053
01:19:02,630 --> 01:19:00,600
let's do it and and in the in with the

2054
01:19:03,950 --> 01:19:02,640
justification of if we're not going to

2055
01:19:07,430 --> 01:19:03,960
go there

2056
01:19:10,610 --> 01:19:07,440
they're going to get the leg up on us so

2057
01:19:13,189 --> 01:19:10,620
I'll stop there anything to

2058
01:19:14,570 --> 01:19:13,199
to to add to that well yeah I mean you

2059
01:19:16,250 --> 01:19:14,580
know you definitely see a lot of those

2060
01:19:17,630 --> 01:19:16,260
interesting developments that were kind

2061
01:19:19,430 --> 01:19:17,640
of playing out I mean in that period

2062
01:19:21,470 --> 01:19:19,440
with the late 40s early 50s I mean now

2063
01:19:24,130 --> 01:19:21,480
Ron Hubbard I mean famously he was a

2064
01:19:26,810 --> 01:19:24,140
Navy man possibly an O and I for a time

2065
01:19:28,250 --> 01:19:26,820
uh one of the guys that he got I mean he

2066
01:19:31,550 --> 01:19:28,260
was a science fiction writer of course

2067
01:19:33,350 --> 01:19:31,560
famously before he became a messiah one

2068
01:19:35,090 --> 01:19:33,360
of the guys that he got to know I was in

2069
01:19:37,010 --> 01:19:35,100
California was another Navy man who went

2070
01:19:38,209 --> 01:19:37,020
by the name of Robert a heinlan uh

2071
01:19:40,430 --> 01:19:38,219
Heinlein was a pretty good science

2072
01:19:43,070 --> 01:19:40,440
fiction writer in his own right too and

2073
01:19:45,649 --> 01:19:43,080
uh wrote a book called Stranger in a

2074
01:19:47,990 --> 01:19:45,659
Strange Land uh which was arguably one

2075
01:19:50,689 --> 01:19:48,000
of the major Inspirations for the 60s

2076
01:19:53,390 --> 01:19:50,699
counterculture there's another Navy guy

2077
01:19:55,250 --> 01:19:53,400
called uh Gene Roddenberry who came up

2078
01:19:57,590 --> 01:19:55,260
with a little franchise called Star Trek

2079
01:19:59,510 --> 01:19:57,600
that also uh shaped a lot of popular

2080
01:20:01,610 --> 01:19:59,520
Zeitgeist but I mean you can kind of

2081
01:20:03,410 --> 01:20:01,620
look at some darker stuff too

2082
01:20:06,110 --> 01:20:03,420
um the finders cult for instance was

2083
01:20:08,030 --> 01:20:06,120
founded by an Air Force veteran uh the

2084
01:20:11,030 --> 01:20:08,040
unification Church appears to have

2085
01:20:12,830 --> 01:20:11,040
emerged in the mid 50s after sun lion

2086
01:20:15,530 --> 01:20:12,840
Moon had spent a lot of time with the US

2087
01:20:17,270 --> 01:20:15,540
Military Intelligence you got elrond

2088
01:20:19,129 --> 01:20:17,280
Hubbard as I said setting up Scientology

2089
01:20:21,890 --> 01:20:19,139
after he had done some time with the O

2090
01:20:23,149 --> 01:20:21,900
and I uh you know more recently you

2091
01:20:24,950 --> 01:20:23,159
could look at something like the order

2092
01:20:26,870 --> 01:20:24,960
of the nine angles

2093
01:20:28,550 --> 01:20:26,880
um the guy who set it up does appeared

2094
01:20:30,410 --> 01:20:28,560
to have been involved in the British

2095
01:20:32,870 --> 01:20:30,420
component of operational gladio during

2096
01:20:36,050 --> 01:20:32,880
the late 60s and early 70s

2097
01:20:37,850 --> 01:20:36,060
so yeah I mean you could certainly look

2098
01:20:39,649 --> 01:20:37,860
at a lot of these strange Cults and

2099
01:20:42,890 --> 01:20:39,659
movements that have grown up really

2100
01:20:44,689 --> 01:20:42,900
since the 1950s late 1940s and

2101
01:20:46,850 --> 01:20:44,699
seem to note that there is a strange

2102
01:20:49,970 --> 01:20:46,860
component to the US Military and all of

2103
01:20:51,229 --> 01:20:49,980
this uh so yeah I mean it does sort of

2104
01:20:53,149 --> 01:20:51,239
play into like what you're getting at

2105
01:20:55,250 --> 01:20:53,159
here uh why is it that we need to sort

2106
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:55,260
of set up all of these colds that have

2107
01:20:58,850 --> 01:20:56,880
ties to the military and why are they

2108
01:21:01,010 --> 01:20:58,860
involved in all this really weird stuff

2109
01:21:03,110 --> 01:21:01,020
usually uh with trying to contact

2110
01:21:06,890 --> 01:21:03,120
discarnate intelligences and that type

2111
01:21:08,930 --> 01:21:06,900
of thing it's uh very interesting

2112
01:21:10,490 --> 01:21:08,940
see but that's one way of looking at it

2113
01:21:12,709 --> 01:21:10,500
the other way of looking at it is to

2114
01:21:14,810 --> 01:21:12,719
kind of completely turn it around and

2115
01:21:17,450 --> 01:21:14,820
that's that it's the extended

2116
01:21:19,970 --> 01:21:17,460
Consciousness realm one way I kind of

2117
01:21:22,729 --> 01:21:19,980
think of it is the game the big game and

2118
01:21:24,890 --> 01:21:22,739
the only game and kind of the no game so

2119
01:21:27,410 --> 01:21:24,900
the the normies are are the no game

2120
01:21:29,810 --> 01:21:27,420
they're just not even in the game and

2121
01:21:33,410 --> 01:21:29,820
then the game is like

2122
01:21:34,370 --> 01:21:33,420
deep State parapolitical and the big

2123
01:21:37,189 --> 01:21:34,380
game

2124
01:21:38,570 --> 01:21:37,199
is like E.T man is extended

2125
01:21:40,250 --> 01:21:38,580
Consciousness and even though you're not

2126
01:21:44,149 --> 01:21:40,260
a big E.T guy we'll get into that in a

2127
01:21:45,950 --> 01:21:44,159
minute hey it's I was outside it's the

2128
01:21:48,649 --> 01:21:45,960
near-death experience I was outside of

2129
01:21:50,689 --> 01:21:48,659
my body I was seeing it we have no way

2130
01:21:53,149 --> 01:21:50,699
that is so Pat it's outside of time

2131
01:21:55,850 --> 01:21:53,159
space it's outside of all that that's

2132
01:21:57,830 --> 01:21:55,860
the big game the connection between that

2133
01:22:00,110 --> 01:21:57,840
game and the parapolitical game would

2134
01:22:03,050 --> 01:22:00,120
certainly put the big game and the

2135
01:22:05,750 --> 01:22:03,060
extended Consciousness in this game on a

2136
01:22:07,010 --> 01:22:05,760
whole different level and then I would

2137
01:22:09,169 --> 01:22:07,020
say

2138
01:22:10,669 --> 01:22:09,179
because you get into this like you just

2139
01:22:11,990 --> 01:22:10,679
did an interview we'll never get to it

2140
01:22:14,330 --> 01:22:12,000
in this show and I'd love to talk to

2141
01:22:17,270 --> 01:22:14,340
Gospel of Thomas thing and that's the

2142
01:22:18,890 --> 01:22:17,280
only game so the only game is you are a

2143
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,900
spiritual being you are somehow

2144
01:22:23,629 --> 01:22:21,360
connected to some Divinity some

2145
01:22:25,310 --> 01:22:23,639
hierarchical Consciousness because

2146
01:22:27,530 --> 01:22:25,320
that's what the data seems to come back

2147
01:22:30,050 --> 01:22:27,540
and says that Consciousness isn't just a

2148
01:22:32,510 --> 01:22:30,060
blob there is a moral imperative

2149
01:22:34,970 --> 01:22:32,520
it does pull you to do

2150
01:22:36,890 --> 01:22:34,980
good if you listen it can also play you

2151
01:22:38,330 --> 01:22:36,900
to do bad if you want to go that way but

2152
01:22:40,550 --> 01:22:38,340
there is a moral imperative there is

2153
01:22:42,410 --> 01:22:40,560
right and wrong there is good that is

2154
01:22:43,490 --> 01:22:42,420
ultimately the only game but the big

2155
01:22:44,870 --> 01:22:43,500
game is pretty interesting the

2156
01:22:46,669 --> 01:22:44,880
parapolitical game and all the rest of

2157
01:22:49,189 --> 01:22:46,679
that so

2158
01:22:50,930 --> 01:22:49,199
with that the way that I look at what

2159
01:22:54,229 --> 01:22:50,940
you're just talking about is our

2160
01:22:56,629 --> 01:22:54,239
military intelligence cannot resist the

2161
01:22:59,570 --> 01:22:56,639
urge to tap into the extended

2162
01:23:00,830 --> 01:22:59,580
Consciousness realm because that's the

2163
01:23:02,570 --> 01:23:00,840
big game

2164
01:23:04,970 --> 01:23:02,580
they don't want to be stuck in the

2165
01:23:07,070 --> 01:23:04,980
little game so they want to know what's

2166
01:23:08,930 --> 01:23:07,080
going on there and how they can of

2167
01:23:11,270 --> 01:23:08,940
course how they can weaponize it but

2168
01:23:12,770 --> 01:23:11,280
that's just an excuse they just want to

2169
01:23:14,149 --> 01:23:12,780
play a bigger game what do you think

2170
01:23:15,950 --> 01:23:14,159
about that

2171
01:23:17,510 --> 01:23:15,960
well yeah and I mean I don't think it's

2172
01:23:18,770 --> 01:23:17,520
a coincidence you know when you sort of

2173
01:23:22,010 --> 01:23:18,780
look at

2174
01:23:24,169 --> 01:23:22,020
um you know kind of the development

2175
01:23:26,870 --> 01:23:24,179
within some of the ideology that was

2176
01:23:28,370 --> 01:23:26,880
behind SRI I mean a lot of I mean at

2177
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:28,380
least from what uh you know this

2178
01:23:32,510 --> 01:23:29,520
excellent essay that was written by

2179
01:23:34,250 --> 01:23:32,520
David duncav and uh uh Daniel Patoka uh

2180
01:23:35,810 --> 01:23:34,260
it seems to indicate

2181
01:23:37,370 --> 01:23:35,820
is that I mean the whole thing is it

2182
01:23:38,990 --> 01:23:37,380
sort of goes into that whole concept of

2183
01:23:40,790 --> 01:23:39,000
the nunisphere you know this sort of

2184
01:23:42,830 --> 01:23:40,800
like Earth Consciousness or Global

2185
01:23:44,510 --> 01:23:42,840
Consciousness and I mean this is

2186
01:23:46,189 --> 01:23:44,520
something that the Russians were also

2187
01:23:47,450 --> 01:23:46,199
obsessed with I mean that kind of grew

2188
01:23:49,490 --> 01:23:47,460
out of their own you know kind of

2189
01:23:52,250 --> 01:23:49,500
tradition of cosmetism and that type of

2190
01:23:54,129 --> 01:23:52,260
thing so you know this is something kind

2191
01:23:56,030 --> 01:23:54,139
of going back to the very early

2192
01:23:57,950 --> 01:23:56,040
experiments the Soviets were doing in

2193
01:23:59,510 --> 01:23:57,960
ESP in like the 20s and 30s I mean they

2194
01:24:01,970 --> 01:23:59,520
were already kind of like hashing out

2195
01:24:03,530 --> 01:24:01,980
this concept of the newnessphere at the

2196
01:24:05,270 --> 01:24:03,540
same time the deshard day was

2197
01:24:06,830 --> 01:24:05,280
essentially developing this concept in

2198
01:24:09,110 --> 01:24:06,840
the west as well so I mean they're kind

2199
01:24:12,169 --> 01:24:09,120
of going concurrently with one another

2200
01:24:14,510 --> 01:24:12,179
and I think that that ultimately really

2201
01:24:16,669 --> 01:24:14,520
was at the heart of a lot of this really

2202
01:24:18,470 --> 01:24:16,679
you know Arcane research that the

2203
01:24:20,209 --> 01:24:18,480
defense establishments uh with both

2204
01:24:23,149 --> 01:24:20,219
countries were ultimately doing in the

2205
01:24:24,290 --> 01:24:23,159
Cold War era uh the Soviets you know

2206
01:24:26,390 --> 01:24:24,300
might have potentially gotten there

2207
01:24:28,250 --> 01:24:26,400
first and it could be that there was an

2208
01:24:29,689 --> 01:24:28,260
element from the Nazis and all of this I

2209
01:24:31,610 --> 01:24:29,699
mean there have been persistent rumors

2210
01:24:33,290 --> 01:24:31,620
that the you know the research that the

2211
01:24:35,149 --> 01:24:33,300
what was it the deaths and innerby were

2212
01:24:36,950 --> 01:24:35,159
doing I mean was a big influence on some

2213
01:24:39,110 --> 01:24:36,960
of this kind of insanity

2214
01:24:40,910 --> 01:24:39,120
we don't really know but I mean it

2215
01:24:43,010 --> 01:24:40,920
definitely seems like that there was

2216
01:24:45,290 --> 01:24:43,020
this sort of notion that uh there is

2217
01:24:47,330 --> 01:24:45,300
this extended Consciousness realm that

2218
01:24:49,910 --> 01:24:47,340
uh you know I mean effectively you know

2219
01:24:52,370 --> 01:24:49,920
has an influence in all aspects of our

2220
01:24:55,430 --> 01:24:52,380
lives and that um yeah I mean it had to

2221
01:24:56,930 --> 01:24:55,440
be understood I think to fully grasp the

2222
01:24:58,370 --> 01:24:56,940
implications of it I mean how it could

2223
01:25:00,229 --> 01:24:58,380
be weaponized how we could defend

2224
01:25:02,209 --> 01:25:00,239
ourselves from it and

2225
01:25:03,590 --> 01:25:02,219
you know ultimately I guess maybe in

2226
01:25:05,450 --> 01:25:03,600
some quarters it was seen as the next

2227
01:25:07,250 --> 01:25:05,460
stage of evolution I mean certainly you

2228
01:25:09,229 --> 01:25:07,260
know when you get into uh

2229
01:25:10,610 --> 01:25:09,239
some of the spiritual offshoots I think

2230
01:25:11,990 --> 01:25:10,620
of this research I mean the kind of

2231
01:25:13,729 --> 01:25:12,000
things that people like Barbara marks

2232
01:25:15,790 --> 01:25:13,739
hover were trying to do I mean there was

2233
01:25:19,010 --> 01:25:15,800
that sort of component that we had to

2234
01:25:21,950 --> 01:25:19,020
forcibly bring out the the next stage of

2235
01:25:23,870 --> 01:25:21,960
evolution and uh

2236
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:23,880
in our own country I mean when you look

2237
01:25:27,410 --> 01:25:25,860
at what was going on at SRI and all the

2238
01:25:30,290 --> 01:25:27,420
stuff that came together there in the

2239
01:25:32,750 --> 01:25:30,300
early 70s I mean you had the Genesis of

2240
01:25:34,970 --> 01:25:32,760
the Aviary the movement that's really

2241
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,980
dominated the ufology for the last 50

2242
01:25:39,590 --> 01:25:37,440
years you have all the stuff with the

2243
01:25:41,450 --> 01:25:39,600
remote viewing things you had a lot of

2244
01:25:43,129 --> 01:25:41,460
the woo-woo interpretations quantum

2245
01:25:44,930 --> 01:25:43,139
physics the fundamentalist physics group

2246
01:25:48,169 --> 01:25:44,940
was doing in the same area at the same

2247
01:25:51,050 --> 01:25:48,179
time and they all knew the SRI guys and

2248
01:25:53,470 --> 01:25:51,060
finally the development of the internets

2249
01:25:56,390 --> 01:25:53,480
which can kind of be seen as sort of a

2250
01:25:58,189 --> 01:25:56,400
materialistic uh form of desharde's

2251
01:26:00,350 --> 01:25:58,199
newnessphere in a sense

2252
01:26:01,669 --> 01:26:00,360
so I mean that's all going on right

2253
01:26:03,290 --> 01:26:01,679
there and I mean you have people like

2254
01:26:05,510 --> 01:26:03,300
Jacques filet who are involved in almost

2255
01:26:09,050 --> 01:26:05,520
all of us yeah I mean I don't think

2256
01:26:11,629 --> 01:26:09,060
that's a coincidence well it but it it

2257
01:26:14,090 --> 01:26:11,639
tricky and I'm very

2258
01:26:17,570 --> 01:26:14,100
I want to pull it apart I'll start with

2259
01:26:19,250 --> 01:26:17,580
the with the UFO thing because

2260
01:26:21,229 --> 01:26:19,260
there's a different there's a different

2261
01:26:22,910 --> 01:26:21,239
potential narrative there let me share

2262
01:26:24,890 --> 01:26:22,920
some things with you I don't know how

2263
01:26:27,649 --> 01:26:24,900
but order we'll get them in so here is

2264
01:26:29,689 --> 01:26:27,659
UFO researcher Grant Cameron who do you

2265
01:26:31,070 --> 01:26:29,699
know Grant Cameron yeah yeah I'm not

2266
01:26:34,610 --> 01:26:31,080
super familiar but I've read a little

2267
01:26:36,649 --> 01:26:34,620
bit of his work so we were we've had a

2268
01:26:38,570 --> 01:26:36,659
lot of interviews exchanges and stuff

2269
01:26:40,790 --> 01:26:38,580
like that and I was kind of with him

2270
01:26:42,410 --> 01:26:40,800
more before he kind of jumped the shark

2271
01:26:45,229 --> 01:26:42,420
with the Consciousness stuff and just

2272
01:26:47,030 --> 01:26:45,239
sees everything as Consciousness but the

2273
01:26:49,910 --> 01:26:47,040
reason I think Grant is important here

2274
01:26:52,129 --> 01:26:49,920
is Grants a Canadian researcher and

2275
01:26:55,250 --> 01:26:52,139
he has some legitimate documents that

2276
01:26:57,169 --> 01:26:55,260
were released through Canadian foia and

2277
01:26:59,390 --> 01:26:57,179
we believe that there's reason to

2278
01:27:01,010 --> 01:26:59,400
believe and it makes total sense that

2279
01:27:02,629 --> 01:27:01,020
these were only released one

2280
01:27:04,610 --> 01:27:02,639
accidentally and two because they were

2281
01:27:07,070 --> 01:27:04,620
in Canada and they just weren't hip to

2282
01:27:08,990 --> 01:27:07,080
what's going on but the documents

2283
01:27:11,270 --> 01:27:09,000
primarily center around a guy named

2284
01:27:13,669 --> 01:27:11,280
Wilbert Smith who was running running

2285
01:27:15,470 --> 01:27:13,679
the strange desk in Canada if you ever

2286
01:27:17,629 --> 01:27:15,480
heard of Wilbert Smith oh yeah he was

2287
01:27:19,970 --> 01:27:17,639
involved with project magnet right he

2288
01:27:22,669 --> 01:27:19,980
goes to he was the Prime Minister of

2289
01:27:23,689 --> 01:27:22,679
Canada and says hey I've been telling

2290
01:27:25,370 --> 01:27:23,699
you about all these weird sightings

2291
01:27:27,110 --> 01:27:25,380
we've been you know Pilots are coming

2292
01:27:28,729 --> 01:27:27,120
back with we got to figure out what's

2293
01:27:30,110 --> 01:27:28,739
going on he goes oh yeah buddy go down

2294
01:27:32,270 --> 01:27:30,120
and see the Yanks down there see what

2295
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,280
they got so he goes down he meets with

2296
01:27:36,350 --> 01:27:34,320
vanvar bush he meets with all the Aviary

2297
01:27:38,090 --> 01:27:36,360
people as it turns out which if you're

2298
01:27:40,129 --> 01:27:38,100
of course is going to be co-opted of

2299
01:27:42,410 --> 01:27:40,139
course is going to be made to look like

2300
01:27:44,510 --> 01:27:42,420
a fake operation because it's real

2301
01:27:46,250 --> 01:27:44,520
that's how it is if it's real then it's

2302
01:27:49,129 --> 01:27:46,260
going to be co-opted and faked and

2303
01:27:52,550 --> 01:27:49,139
disinformationed to death but the

2304
01:27:54,290 --> 01:27:52,560
original memo is instructive because the

2305
01:27:55,970 --> 01:27:54,300
original memo that he writes Wilbert

2306
01:27:57,649 --> 01:27:55,980
Smith writes to the Prime Minister when

2307
01:28:00,669 --> 01:27:57,659
he gets back he goes yep

2308
01:28:03,229 --> 01:28:00,679
UFOs are real it's the highest priority

2309
01:28:05,330 --> 01:28:03,239
super secret thing that the US is

2310
01:28:07,970 --> 01:28:05,340
looking into higher than the hydrogen

2311
01:28:09,470 --> 01:28:07,980
bomb and by the way this is the one

2312
01:28:11,570 --> 01:28:09,480
thing that Grant deserves a ton of

2313
01:28:14,570 --> 01:28:11,580
credit for picking up on

2314
01:28:17,270 --> 01:28:14,580
is there is a mental phenomenon to this

2315
01:28:19,250 --> 01:28:17,280
that they're exploring

2316
01:28:21,110 --> 01:28:19,260
the reason I think that's significant is

2317
01:28:22,430 --> 01:28:21,120
I think a lot of people Overlook the

2318
01:28:26,090 --> 01:28:22,440
fact that

2319
01:28:30,470 --> 01:28:26,100
MK Ultra and in particular Stargate

2320
01:28:32,450 --> 01:28:30,480
one of the goals of it was hey E.T seems

2321
01:28:35,689 --> 01:28:32,460
to be talking to us telepathically all

2322
01:28:37,910 --> 01:28:35,699
the contact we have is they're not you

2323
01:28:39,830 --> 01:28:37,920
know is telepathic we need to start

2324
01:28:42,770 --> 01:28:39,840
understanding this extended realm

2325
01:28:44,689 --> 01:28:42,780
because that's what's

2326
01:28:46,850 --> 01:28:44,699
that's what's up that's what's going on

2327
01:28:48,050 --> 01:28:46,860
it points to the reality of that the

2328
01:28:49,550 --> 01:28:48,060
other thing that points to the reality

2329
01:28:55,129 --> 01:28:49,560
that

2330
01:28:56,870 --> 01:28:55,139
have of thousands and thousands of

2331
01:28:58,330 --> 01:28:56,880
people who have come forward and said

2332
01:29:01,070 --> 01:28:58,340
that they've had Direct contact

2333
01:29:03,050 --> 01:29:01,080
sightings and you have

2334
01:29:05,689 --> 01:29:03,060
people have multiple Witnesses and all

2335
01:29:08,810 --> 01:29:05,699
that and it just

2336
01:29:11,149 --> 01:29:08,820
I want to stop there because I got a

2337
01:29:14,810 --> 01:29:11,159
feeling that you're kind of not down

2338
01:29:18,470 --> 01:29:14,820
with the basic fundamental reality that

2339
01:29:21,950 --> 01:29:18,480
people are collectively not only seeing

2340
01:29:23,510 --> 01:29:21,960
UFOs but having contact having multiple

2341
01:29:26,990 --> 01:29:23,520
people witnessing the same contact

2342
01:29:29,750 --> 01:29:27,000
having uh Travis Walton be in the

2343
01:29:31,550 --> 01:29:29,760
logging operation in Arizona and all

2344
01:29:33,110 --> 01:29:31,560
five of his buddies go and jump in the

2345
01:29:35,390 --> 01:29:33,120
truck because they see him zoomed up in

2346
01:29:36,590 --> 01:29:35,400
the craft and they go get the [\h__\h] out

2347
01:29:38,750 --> 01:29:36,600
of here we're all going to be killed

2348
01:29:41,330 --> 01:29:38,760
they just killed Travis and they go back

2349
01:29:43,430 --> 01:29:41,340
and and what Rings true about their

2350
01:29:44,750 --> 01:29:43,440
testimony is they go back and they're

2351
01:29:48,050 --> 01:29:44,760
going to get arrested

2352
01:29:50,930 --> 01:29:48,060
because the the sheriff goes uh-huh

2353
01:29:52,970 --> 01:29:50,940
so tell us again how you killed Travis

2354
01:29:55,790 --> 01:29:52,980
they go no man we didn't kill him he's

2355
01:29:59,390 --> 01:29:55,800
up in this space lie detector test they

2356
01:30:02,629 --> 01:29:59,400
all pass it five days later Travis shows

2357
01:30:05,629 --> 01:30:02,639
up no clothes on walks up to a pay phone

2358
01:30:08,209 --> 01:30:05,639
and calls and says I don't know what

2359
01:30:10,490 --> 01:30:08,219
happened but Boom come get me I mean

2360
01:30:13,010 --> 01:30:10,500
this is just one of a gazillion

2361
01:30:14,750 --> 01:30:13,020
different accounts and I guess sometimes

2362
01:30:15,890 --> 01:30:14,760
when I listen to your show I I hear you

2363
01:30:19,510 --> 01:30:15,900
guys kind of

2364
01:30:23,629 --> 01:30:19,520
just focusing on the misinformation part

2365
01:30:28,430 --> 01:30:23,639
and kind of missing the big enchilada

2366
01:30:30,530 --> 01:30:28,440
that yeah we we are being visited we are

2367
01:30:32,330 --> 01:30:30,540
not alone we've never been alone to

2368
01:30:35,090 --> 01:30:32,340
steal the line from the ancient alien

2369
01:30:38,810 --> 01:30:35,100
show which I think gets maligned way too

2370
01:30:40,550 --> 01:30:38,820
much sure it's not perfect but we are

2371
01:30:42,830 --> 01:30:40,560
not alone we've never been alone and

2372
01:30:46,610 --> 01:30:42,840
that's a better way to begin to look at

2373
01:30:48,470 --> 01:30:46,620
the data than to look at it just from a

2374
01:30:50,689 --> 01:30:48,480
to build it up from a parapolitical

2375
01:30:52,910 --> 01:30:50,699
standpoint the better way in my opinion

2376
01:30:55,129 --> 01:30:52,920
is look it as a top down something is

2377
01:30:56,689 --> 01:30:55,139
happening in that extent of Realm and we

2378
01:30:58,370 --> 01:30:56,699
don't know what it is no I would

2379
01:30:59,570 --> 01:30:58,380
absolutely agree with that and I mean

2380
01:31:01,129 --> 01:30:59,580
that's you know something that I've

2381
01:31:03,470 --> 01:31:01,139
really started to focus on I think

2382
01:31:05,990 --> 01:31:03,480
especially in the last year or two

2383
01:31:07,870 --> 01:31:06,000
um I think probably having enough

2384
01:31:10,970 --> 01:31:07,880
conversations with Chris Knowles about

2385
01:31:13,070 --> 01:31:10,980
Astro theology has probably contributed

2386
01:31:15,110 --> 01:31:13,080
that as well

2387
01:31:17,209 --> 01:31:15,120
um but yeah I mean I'm just kind of

2388
01:31:19,790 --> 01:31:17,219
fascinated with this whole notion and

2389
01:31:21,590 --> 01:31:19,800
this you know kind of uh esoteric

2390
01:31:23,270 --> 01:31:21,600
tradition of communication from the

2391
01:31:26,709 --> 01:31:23,280
stars I really want going back to the

2392
01:31:28,910 --> 01:31:26,719
earliest practices and Antiquity really

2393
01:31:30,530 --> 01:31:28,920
uh you know obviously it kind of goes

2394
01:31:32,870 --> 01:31:30,540
into the whole thing with scrying and I

2395
01:31:34,550 --> 01:31:32,880
mean just how much of uh you know I mean

2396
01:31:36,470 --> 01:31:34,560
so many of these uh

2397
01:31:37,910 --> 01:31:36,480
I mean almost cultic Fates that we've

2398
01:31:39,229 --> 01:31:37,920
sort of talked about I mean Mormonism

2399
01:31:41,330 --> 01:31:39,239
sort of grew out of this I mean the

2400
01:31:43,070 --> 01:31:41,340
Angelic Communications with John D and

2401
01:31:45,290 --> 01:31:43,080
the enochian magic which has formed so

2402
01:31:47,090 --> 01:31:45,300
much of a tradition of uh Western magic

2403
01:31:49,850 --> 01:31:47,100
grew out of a lot of this kind of stuff

2404
01:31:52,370 --> 01:31:49,860
but I mean yeah you know there is this

2405
01:31:54,410 --> 01:31:52,380
sort of ancient notion that uh Humanity

2406
01:31:55,610 --> 01:31:54,420
itself our Spirits our Consciousness

2407
01:31:57,649 --> 01:31:55,620
whatever you want to call it actually

2408
01:31:59,990 --> 01:31:57,659
does come from the stars that it goes to

2409
01:32:01,970 --> 01:32:00,000
this sort of process to Incarnate here

2410
01:32:05,330 --> 01:32:01,980
in the earth and that we can summon

2411
01:32:06,709 --> 01:32:05,340
things from other planets uh to us uh I

2412
01:32:08,629 --> 01:32:06,719
know I'd recently read some of the works

2413
01:32:09,950 --> 01:32:08,639
by Francis Yates which I kind of blend

2414
01:32:12,229 --> 01:32:09,960
into some of the things that Peter Levin

2415
01:32:13,910 --> 01:32:12,239
I've heard speak about before but um

2416
01:32:15,709 --> 01:32:13,920
it's kind of the notion that the whole

2417
01:32:18,470 --> 01:32:15,719
purpose of these megalithic structures

2418
01:32:20,330 --> 01:32:18,480
really was to draw down you know the

2419
01:32:23,090 --> 01:32:20,340
gods whatever you want to call it into

2420
01:32:25,250 --> 01:32:23,100
these uh these structures so that they

2421
01:32:27,590 --> 01:32:25,260
could communicate to the priesthood or

2422
01:32:30,410 --> 01:32:27,600
whatever which again I mean seems like

2423
01:32:32,510 --> 01:32:30,420
it's absolutely incredible and yet uh

2424
01:32:34,910 --> 01:32:32,520
would you look at so much of our modern

2425
01:32:36,770 --> 01:32:34,920
world and how you know the extent which

2426
01:32:38,390 --> 01:32:36,780
we try to almost recreate a lot of these

2427
01:32:41,330 --> 01:32:38,400
megalithic structures and a lot of our

2428
01:32:42,950 --> 01:32:41,340
major Capital Cities and so forth I mean

2429
01:32:44,810 --> 01:32:42,960
you're almost left with the inescapable

2430
01:32:46,610 --> 01:32:44,820
conclusion that there is this sort of

2431
01:32:49,669 --> 01:32:46,620
ideology and belief system within the

2432
01:32:52,310 --> 01:32:49,679
ruling Elite the title continues on

2433
01:32:55,910 --> 01:32:52,320
um and yeah I mean I do think that some

2434
01:32:58,390 --> 01:32:55,920
component to some extent uh that is at

2435
01:33:00,830 --> 01:32:58,400
the heart of a lot of what is going on

2436
01:33:02,570 --> 01:33:00,840
it is you know this tradition that's

2437
01:33:05,030 --> 01:33:02,580
been with Humanity since practically

2438
01:33:06,770 --> 01:33:05,040
time immoral that uh I mean it seems

2439
01:33:08,930 --> 01:33:06,780
like almost every significant ruling

2440
01:33:10,430 --> 01:33:08,940
class has ultimately latched on to at

2441
01:33:12,770 --> 01:33:10,440
some point or other

2442
01:33:16,129 --> 01:33:12,780
so yeah I mean that is kind of something

2443
01:33:17,990 --> 01:33:16,139
you have to look at in all this

2444
01:33:20,090 --> 01:33:18,000
see I'm with you to a point I'm just

2445
01:33:21,709 --> 01:33:20,100
wondering if we're kind of code speaking

2446
01:33:23,810 --> 01:33:21,719
it there because

2447
01:33:25,729 --> 01:33:23,820
when we start talking about ruling class

2448
01:33:27,709 --> 01:33:25,739
and stuff like that

2449
01:33:31,010 --> 01:33:27,719
to me there's a different message that's

2450
01:33:34,270 --> 01:33:31,020
the fundamental question on ET is good

2451
01:33:37,030 --> 01:33:34,280
ET versus bad ET evil verse Divine ET

2452
01:33:40,570 --> 01:33:37,040
versus evil ET

2453
01:33:44,030 --> 01:33:40,580
demons in the in a

2454
01:33:45,410 --> 01:33:44,040
interdimensional thing or more like us

2455
01:33:47,390 --> 01:33:45,420
you know you talk to Whitley strieber

2456
01:33:50,030 --> 01:33:47,400
and uh you know I think he's a pretty

2457
01:33:52,370 --> 01:33:50,040
good go-to he's not 100 but it's like

2458
01:33:55,370 --> 01:33:52,380
his thing is like oh they're just One

2459
01:33:57,470 --> 01:33:55,380
Step Beyond us good bad multiple agenda

2460
01:34:00,770 --> 01:33:57,480
multiple species multiple different

2461
01:34:03,050 --> 01:34:00,780
planets all that stuff and that to to

2462
01:34:06,169 --> 01:34:03,060
kind of ascribe the superpowers to him

2463
01:34:08,030 --> 01:34:06,179
is to kind of miss the boat here's Grant

2464
01:34:09,590 --> 01:34:08,040
Cameron in the part that I guess we

2465
01:34:12,110 --> 01:34:09,600
don't I don't necessarily agree with

2466
01:34:15,709 --> 01:34:12,120
Grant so much let me play it

2467
01:34:17,990 --> 01:34:15,719
UFO researcher Grant Cameron

2468
01:34:20,209 --> 01:34:18,000
we go back to the fact that there is

2469
01:34:21,590 --> 01:34:20,219
just experience that's all there is if

2470
01:34:23,330 --> 01:34:21,600
you take a look at we talk about the the

2471
01:34:25,790 --> 01:34:23,340
evil alien okay so we say there's evil

2472
01:34:27,410 --> 01:34:25,800
aliens that's the general impression and

2473
01:34:29,990 --> 01:34:27,420
and if you go and you do the free survey

2474
01:34:31,790 --> 01:34:30,000
you see the 50 84 of all experiences say

2475
01:34:34,010 --> 01:34:31,800
if they were given the chance to have it

2476
01:34:36,050 --> 01:34:34,020
stopped they would say no only nine

2477
01:34:37,370 --> 01:34:36,060
percent say it's evil and nine percent

2478
01:34:39,229 --> 01:34:37,380
is not zero but it's getting pretty

2479
01:34:41,870 --> 01:34:39,239
close there are no victims there are

2480
01:34:43,370 --> 01:34:41,880
just volunteers it's all experience I

2481
01:34:45,050 --> 01:34:43,380
appreciate the distinctions you're

2482
01:34:47,030 --> 01:34:45,060
making I just

2483
01:34:48,530 --> 01:34:47,040
I mean you're saying at some point we

2484
01:34:51,350 --> 01:34:48,540
have to move to something else so what

2485
01:34:54,229 --> 01:34:51,360
are we moving towards here's the kicker

2486
01:34:56,930 --> 01:34:54,239
in the important part for for people who

2487
01:34:58,850 --> 01:34:56,940
don't believe like so many of the

2488
01:35:00,649 --> 01:34:58,860
academics or humanist materialist

2489
01:35:02,330 --> 01:35:00,659
atheist Paradigm and they don't have to

2490
01:35:04,250 --> 01:35:02,340
deal with any of this [\h__\h] but for

2491
01:35:06,050 --> 01:35:04,260
people like you and I who acknowledge an

2492
01:35:09,169 --> 01:35:06,060
extended Consciousness realm when

2493
01:35:11,270 --> 01:35:09,179
somebody tells me yeah I'm I'm abusing

2494
01:35:13,609 --> 01:35:11,280
these kids and let me tell you this

2495
01:35:15,350 --> 01:35:13,619
spirit being this entity in the extended

2496
01:35:17,689 --> 01:35:15,360
Consciousness realm and he is really

2497
01:35:19,310 --> 01:35:17,699
into it too and he's bringing all this

2498
01:35:21,649 --> 01:35:19,320
power into the group and he's doing

2499
01:35:23,750 --> 01:35:21,659
these physical things and if I do this

2500
01:35:26,870 --> 01:35:23,760
ritual in a certain way it brings even

2501
01:35:29,689 --> 01:35:26,880
more power into me and that's my

2502
01:35:31,910 --> 01:35:29,699
download he says that's my experience

2503
01:35:35,149 --> 01:35:31,920
okay where I was getting at with that

2504
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:35,159
rant there is that there's a whole the

2505
01:35:39,169 --> 01:35:37,199
UFO Community is really divided on this

2506
01:35:42,410 --> 01:35:39,179
issue I think if you look into it it's

2507
01:35:45,430 --> 01:35:42,420
the good E.T versus bad ET is some kind

2508
01:35:48,770 --> 01:35:45,440
of spiritual savior it is

2509
01:35:51,709 --> 01:35:48,780
prototypical God light near-death

2510
01:35:55,669 --> 01:35:51,719
experience that is going to save us or

2511
01:35:58,490 --> 01:35:55,679
it is you know what they're peddling at

2512
01:36:01,189 --> 01:35:58,500
Peter levenda and Tom Delong are

2513
01:36:03,470 --> 01:36:01,199
peddling which is it's a threat I

2514
01:36:04,850 --> 01:36:03,480
interviewed Richard Dolan who I have a

2515
01:36:06,669 --> 01:36:04,860
lot of respect for it let me play a

2516
01:36:10,250 --> 01:36:06,679
little clip from Richard Dolan

2517
01:36:12,770 --> 01:36:10,260
we met with the guy at the dod but he's

2518
01:36:15,530 --> 01:36:12,780
a whistleblower all the information he

2519
01:36:18,530 --> 01:36:15,540
revealed well none of it's classified or

2520
01:36:21,229 --> 01:36:18,540
top secret the the kid who innocently

2521
01:36:23,990 --> 01:36:21,239
took a selfie of being inside the

2522
01:36:25,970 --> 01:36:24,000
submarine he's in prison and this is the

2523
01:36:28,250 --> 01:36:25,980
biggest thing ever even though it

2524
01:36:30,709 --> 01:36:28,260
happened 15 years ago I wouldn't say

2525
01:36:33,470 --> 01:36:30,719
that Elizondo necessarily classifies as

2526
01:36:35,689 --> 01:36:33,480
a whistleblower I don't know I mean he

2527
01:36:38,510 --> 01:36:35,699
um all of these people are self-serving

2528
01:36:39,950 --> 01:36:38,520
so the folks at ttsa it's not like you

2529
01:36:42,890 --> 01:36:39,960
know they're all angels and they have no

2530
01:36:44,570 --> 01:36:42,900
other ulterior motives what they do all

2531
01:36:47,090 --> 01:36:44,580
these guys who are the military that was

2532
01:36:50,090 --> 01:36:47,100
their pledge are we at a different point

2533
01:36:51,950 --> 01:36:50,100
where we've totally given up on the idea

2534
01:36:53,629 --> 01:36:51,960
that we need to hold these people

2535
01:36:56,510 --> 01:36:53,639
accountable is that just kind of out the

2536
01:36:58,189 --> 01:36:56,520
window oh man good question we are in a

2537
01:37:00,470 --> 01:36:58,199
post-constitutional phase I mean look

2538
01:37:02,750 --> 01:37:00,480
we're in a an upside down world where

2539
01:37:04,550 --> 01:37:02,760
what I I call this thing now legal

2540
01:37:07,310 --> 01:37:04,560
illegality that's really what it is it's

2541
01:37:09,950 --> 01:37:07,320
like this legal and so you get the point

2542
01:37:13,669 --> 01:37:09,960
that I was trying to make there the ttsa

2543
01:37:16,609 --> 01:37:13,679
to the Stars Academy Tom DeLong

2544
01:37:18,890 --> 01:37:16,619
gets turned into all these TV shows you

2545
01:37:21,109 --> 01:37:18,900
know all these things it's just [\h__\h]

2546
01:37:24,050 --> 01:37:21,119
it to me it's so clearly a political

2547
01:37:26,149 --> 01:37:24,060
psyop right it's so clearly all the same

2548
01:37:27,590 --> 01:37:26,159
players who's on the stage with Tom

2549
01:37:31,609 --> 01:37:27,600
DeLong

2550
01:37:32,390 --> 01:37:31,619
our friend Hal put off and you mentioned

2551
01:37:34,910 --> 01:37:32,400
um

2552
01:37:37,370 --> 01:37:34,920
I mean they're all it's all intelligence

2553
01:37:40,149 --> 01:37:37,380
again and it's you know the Werner Von

2554
01:37:44,270 --> 01:37:40,159
Braun it's the next threat it's the next

2555
01:37:46,609 --> 01:37:44,280
boogeyman is E.T I don't agree with

2556
01:37:49,550 --> 01:37:46,619
Grant Cameron because I think in the ET

2557
01:37:50,750 --> 01:37:49,560
accounts are also you know Richard Dolan

2558
01:37:53,570 --> 01:37:50,760
sitting there he's talking about his

2559
01:37:55,129 --> 01:37:53,580
wife got raped by E.T right so if you

2560
01:37:57,350 --> 01:37:55,139
want to go there if you want to kind of

2561
01:37:58,729 --> 01:37:57,360
throw that out the middle middle if I

2562
01:38:01,729 --> 01:37:58,739
just jump the shark on that if I cross

2563
01:38:03,229 --> 01:38:01,739
the crazy line whatever but man you go

2564
01:38:06,530 --> 01:38:03,239
start investing those investigating

2565
01:38:09,649 --> 01:38:06,540
those accounts and uh no it's hard to

2566
01:38:11,450 --> 01:38:09,659
sidestep all that data too so good ET

2567
01:38:12,830 --> 01:38:11,460
versus bad ET where do you come down on

2568
01:38:14,629 --> 01:38:12,840
that

2569
01:38:17,629 --> 01:38:14,639
I've already come down on ET are you

2570
01:38:19,370 --> 01:38:17,639
even down with all the accounts of ET or

2571
01:38:20,930 --> 01:38:19,380
do you kind of

2572
01:38:22,250 --> 01:38:20,940
do you think of their all demonic and

2573
01:38:24,890 --> 01:38:22,260
they're all interdimensional and they're

2574
01:38:26,450 --> 01:38:24,900
all Jacques valet and uh you know she's

2575
01:38:28,550 --> 01:38:26,460
we'll talk about chocolate I interviewed

2576
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:28,560
Jacques yeah Jacques filet is into the

2577
01:38:32,930 --> 01:38:30,960
Consciousness thing and the L elves and

2578
01:38:35,209 --> 01:38:32,940
and all that kind of stuff but he also

2579
01:38:36,490 --> 01:38:35,219
carries around a piece of a [\h__\h] uh

2580
01:38:39,530 --> 01:38:36,500
uh

2581
01:38:43,070 --> 01:38:39,540
spacecraft in his alien spacecraft in

2582
01:38:45,470 --> 01:38:43,080
his pocket that he's analyzed in under a

2583
01:38:48,109 --> 01:38:45,480
microscope and said there's no way we

2584
01:38:52,310 --> 01:38:48,119
could ever manufacture this and Diana

2585
01:38:54,470 --> 01:38:52,320
Walsh baselka uh you know was out in the

2586
01:38:56,450 --> 01:38:54,480
desert and she has spacecraft too and a

2587
01:38:59,209 --> 01:38:56,460
lot of people have alien spacecraft that

2588
01:39:01,609 --> 01:38:59,219
is in this here this world kind of thing

2589
01:39:04,070 --> 01:39:01,619
so and and the guy that Diana wants

2590
01:39:05,930 --> 01:39:04,080
pasoka you know American Cosmic the guy

2591
01:39:07,790 --> 01:39:05,940
who held is helping her do it says yeah

2592
01:39:09,410 --> 01:39:07,800
I've made I've made millions of dollars

2593
01:39:12,770 --> 01:39:09,420
by reverse engineering some of this

2594
01:39:15,229 --> 01:39:12,780
stuff and filing patents and he does fly

2595
01:39:18,649 --> 01:39:15,239
around in a Learjet and he does stay at

2596
01:39:20,450 --> 01:39:18,659
the Ritz Carlton and he is credible in

2597
01:39:22,970 --> 01:39:20,460
terms of where she she's talking about

2598
01:39:26,270 --> 01:39:22,980
so I don't know but that's how I read

2599
01:39:30,830 --> 01:39:28,790
um well I mean again I would say that I

2600
01:39:33,649 --> 01:39:30,840
am I mean I don't discount like anything

2601
01:39:34,970 --> 01:39:33,659
other than uh that there is no you know

2602
01:39:36,890 --> 01:39:34,980
that there's nothing at all to the ET

2603
01:39:38,990 --> 01:39:36,900
thing other than just a bunch of swamp

2604
01:39:40,850 --> 01:39:39,000
gas or you know Kooks or something like

2605
01:39:43,310 --> 01:39:40,860
that I mean that seems clearly absurd

2606
01:39:45,910 --> 01:39:43,320
absurd position to take

2607
01:39:48,950 --> 01:39:45,920
I am pretty wary of the Extraterrestrial

2608
01:39:50,930 --> 01:39:48,960
hypothesis I do think that there could

2609
01:39:52,790 --> 01:39:50,940
be a physical component to it though I

2610
01:39:54,950 --> 01:39:52,800
mean I do think that it is possible to

2611
01:39:56,570 --> 01:39:54,960
summon things into the material realm I

2612
01:39:58,370 --> 01:39:56,580
mean this is sort of kind of based on my

2613
01:40:00,050 --> 01:39:58,380
own research into the history of

2614
01:40:03,830 --> 01:40:00,060
ceremonial magic and that kind of thing

2615
01:40:05,330 --> 01:40:03,840
which I think is probably where I tend

2616
01:40:07,910 --> 01:40:05,340
to look at this through the prism of

2617
01:40:09,830 --> 01:40:07,920
simply because it seems like in these

2618
01:40:12,229 --> 01:40:09,840
magical Traditions that's where you see

2619
01:40:15,169 --> 01:40:12,239
the oldest references to you know the

2620
01:40:16,669 --> 01:40:15,179
notion of the Stars uh the cosmos I mean

2621
01:40:18,410 --> 01:40:16,679
possessing you know these non-human

2622
01:40:20,149 --> 01:40:18,420
intelligences in it so I think that's

2623
01:40:21,830 --> 01:40:20,159
probably the most logical place to try

2624
01:40:23,330 --> 01:40:21,840
to start to try to get a grasp of what

2625
01:40:26,030 --> 01:40:23,340
we're dealing with

2626
01:40:28,010 --> 01:40:26,040
I I hate when people go there why not

2627
01:40:29,810 --> 01:40:28,020
just go with contemporary accounts are

2628
01:40:31,790 --> 01:40:29,820
you familiar with the Chris Bledsoe and

2629
01:40:33,410 --> 01:40:31,800
Ryan Bledsoe

2630
01:40:35,689 --> 01:40:33,420
so I

2631
01:40:38,450 --> 01:40:35,699
you know Chris Bledsoe he's got a

2632
01:40:41,330 --> 01:40:38,460
five-part interview with Richard Dolan

2633
01:40:44,030 --> 01:40:41,340
they landed in his [\h__\h] backyard

2634
01:40:45,830 --> 01:40:44,040
and Grant Cameron saw it saw the

2635
01:40:49,070 --> 01:40:45,840
evidence of it and they he had an

2636
01:40:51,890 --> 01:40:49,080
experience in his backyard he had CIA

2637
01:40:55,669 --> 01:40:51,900
people come down all the time and and

2638
01:40:58,189 --> 01:40:55,679
visit him you know his son Ryan Bledsoe

2639
01:41:00,109 --> 01:40:58,199
who now does a podcast I'm gonna have

2640
01:41:02,750 --> 01:41:00,119
him on the show you know he talks about

2641
01:41:05,090 --> 01:41:02,760
as a 13 year old yeah there was a space

2642
01:41:07,010 --> 01:41:05,100
in the backyard and the grass never grew

2643
01:41:08,629 --> 01:41:07,020
there again and we went and measured it

2644
01:41:12,050 --> 01:41:08,639
and and there's all these people who've

2645
01:41:13,850 --> 01:41:12,060
done uh you know the burn marks and all

2646
01:41:15,830 --> 01:41:13,860
the trait what do they call them uh

2647
01:41:17,689 --> 01:41:15,840
Trace you know kind of they've studied

2648
01:41:19,729 --> 01:41:17,699
all that stuff so I'm just always a

2649
01:41:21,590 --> 01:41:19,739
little bit leery when people jump to the

2650
01:41:24,229 --> 01:41:21,600
to the magic Prime part it's like

2651
01:41:26,629 --> 01:41:24,239
extended realm first but if we're going

2652
01:41:28,609 --> 01:41:26,639
to play the consensus reality game if

2653
01:41:31,070 --> 01:41:28,619
we're gonna play you and I are talking

2654
01:41:33,890 --> 01:41:31,080
there are documents there is evidence

2655
01:41:35,450 --> 01:41:33,900
this is evidence you know and if you

2656
01:41:38,390 --> 01:41:35,460
want to say

2657
01:41:40,430 --> 01:41:38,400
the demon the demons came down and made

2658
01:41:42,590 --> 01:41:40,440
all the burn marks in a certain way you

2659
01:41:44,090 --> 01:41:42,600
can but then it's that's not a very

2660
01:41:46,189 --> 01:41:44,100
interesting discussion to have because

2661
01:41:47,930 --> 01:41:46,199
they can do anything

2662
01:41:51,050 --> 01:41:47,940
well I mean that is kind of when you get

2663
01:41:52,669 --> 01:41:51,060
into a supernatural realm I suppose but

2664
01:41:54,109 --> 01:41:52,679
yeah I mean again I'm not necessarily

2665
01:41:56,090 --> 01:41:54,119
saying that I mean there's not a

2666
01:41:58,189 --> 01:41:56,100
physical component to all of this I mean

2667
01:42:00,830 --> 01:41:58,199
I would just say that I'm

2668
01:42:03,649 --> 01:42:00,840
I just find with the whole push of like

2669
01:42:05,990 --> 01:42:03,659
how much effort has been put in to try

2670
01:42:08,390 --> 01:42:06,000
to frame this especially in most

2671
01:42:09,709 --> 01:42:08,400
mainstream accounts for decades now as

2672
01:42:11,510 --> 01:42:09,719
you know being the result of an

2673
01:42:13,850 --> 01:42:11,520
extraterrestrial species visiting us in

2674
01:42:15,950 --> 01:42:13,860
the nuts and folds uh spaceship from the

2675
01:42:18,350 --> 01:42:15,960
planet Zeta reticulum

2676
01:42:20,330 --> 01:42:18,360
I'm kind of a contrarian if somebody's

2677
01:42:22,430 --> 01:42:20,340
telling me that this is my one option

2678
01:42:24,410 --> 01:42:22,440
along with it also being swamp gas then

2679
01:42:26,030 --> 01:42:24,420
I tend to try to look for a third or a

2680
01:42:27,410 --> 01:42:26,040
fourth option to try to explain it

2681
01:42:29,930 --> 01:42:27,420
because it just

2682
01:42:31,729 --> 01:42:29,940
I that weary of official narratives and

2683
01:42:32,990 --> 01:42:31,739
this kind of stuff I mean again I'm not

2684
01:42:34,910 --> 01:42:33,000
trying to say that I mean we should

2685
01:42:36,709 --> 01:42:34,920
totally discount anything having to do

2686
01:42:38,689 --> 01:42:36,719
with like the physical components though

2687
01:42:41,209 --> 01:42:38,699
certainly and I mean that is one of the

2688
01:42:42,709 --> 01:42:41,219
biggest mysteries to a lot of this I

2689
01:42:44,450 --> 01:42:42,719
mean you know how is it that this stuff

2690
01:42:46,189 --> 01:42:44,460
does seem to leave so much evidence in

2691
01:42:48,410 --> 01:42:46,199
the physical world even though I mean it

2692
01:42:50,090 --> 01:42:48,420
does seem to operate in the sense that's

2693
01:42:52,550 --> 01:42:50,100
much closer to what we would think of as

2694
01:42:54,050 --> 01:42:52,560
magic uh I mean I know that obviously

2695
01:42:55,790 --> 01:42:54,060
leads into the whole thing with Arthur C

2696
01:42:57,950 --> 01:42:55,800
Clarke and you know an a sufficiently

2697
01:43:00,050 --> 01:42:57,960
advanced technology and so on and so

2698
01:43:02,030 --> 01:43:00,060
forth but again

2699
01:43:04,550 --> 01:43:02,040
you know who knows

2700
01:43:05,810 --> 01:43:04,560
um maybe there's something to the uh you

2701
01:43:06,890 --> 01:43:05,820
know the accounts from the book of the

2702
01:43:08,930 --> 01:43:06,900
knock that I mean a lot of this

2703
01:43:10,550 --> 01:43:08,940
technology was uh disseminated to us

2704
01:43:12,770 --> 01:43:10,560
from these kind of entities and that was

2705
01:43:13,970 --> 01:43:12,780
how we were able to create it I mean it

2706
01:43:15,770 --> 01:43:13,980
does seem like that there is a

2707
01:43:17,990 --> 01:43:15,780
connection with high technology in some

2708
01:43:19,970 --> 01:43:18,000
senses to these sort of contacts I mean

2709
01:43:21,530 --> 01:43:19,980
this is something that Chris Knowles has

2710
01:43:23,209 --> 01:43:21,540
done a great job of exploring with

2711
01:43:25,970 --> 01:43:23,219
Roswell and a lot of this other kind of

2712
01:43:28,550 --> 01:43:25,980
stuff I mean it is an obvious component

2713
01:43:30,410 --> 01:43:28,560
to it and you know I don't know

2714
01:43:32,090 --> 01:43:30,420
that's all I can really tell you I don't

2715
01:43:35,689 --> 01:43:32,100
really know what the answers are to that

2716
01:43:38,090 --> 01:43:35,699
yeah and yeah none of us certainly none

2717
01:43:40,430 --> 01:43:38,100
of us know I you're doing

2718
01:43:42,290 --> 01:43:40,440
fantastic work I just can't say that

2719
01:43:45,350 --> 01:43:42,300
enough and I think the light that you're

2720
01:43:46,450 --> 01:43:45,360
bringing to this from a kind of Deep

2721
01:43:48,709 --> 01:43:46,460
dive

2722
01:43:51,290 --> 01:43:48,719
parapolitical bring the parapolitical to

2723
01:43:52,850 --> 01:43:51,300
the middle which you do and which he

2724
01:43:55,129 --> 01:43:52,860
said in the very opening introduction

2725
01:43:57,530 --> 01:43:55,139
which I read all the time in your work

2726
01:43:59,629 --> 01:43:57,540
is that people want to paint you left

2727
01:44:01,129 --> 01:43:59,639
people on a punch right what you're

2728
01:44:03,290 --> 01:44:01,139
doing is trying to hit the damn ball

2729
01:44:04,910 --> 01:44:03,300
right down the middle of the Fairway uh

2730
01:44:08,149 --> 01:44:04,920
kind of thing I'm not a golfer but I

2731
01:44:12,050 --> 01:44:08,159
like that analogy and a constantly

2732
01:44:14,750 --> 01:44:12,060
questioning everything so uh when is uh

2733
01:44:17,209 --> 01:44:14,760
when are we going to see the the book on

2734
01:44:19,850 --> 01:44:17,219
q9 because I think it's going to be

2735
01:44:21,290 --> 01:44:19,860
Phantom I'm hoping soon uh I mean I'm

2736
01:44:23,270 --> 01:44:21,300
trying to get into like the last little

2737
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:23,280
bit of revisions now but I'm hoping

2738
01:44:27,290 --> 01:44:25,679
probably in January or February I really

2739
01:44:28,609 --> 01:44:27,300
wanted to get it out for Christmas but

2740
01:44:31,010 --> 01:44:28,619
there's just too much stuff I've still

2741
01:44:32,930 --> 01:44:31,020
got to add to it but uh

2742
01:44:34,490 --> 01:44:32,940
and you know kind of getting back to the

2743
01:44:37,250 --> 01:44:34,500
question you had earlier about like the

2744
01:44:38,870 --> 01:44:37,260
morality of all of this I

2745
01:44:40,790 --> 01:44:38,880
you know again we're dealing with a

2746
01:44:43,609 --> 01:44:40,800
non-human intelligence at least that's

2747
01:44:45,470 --> 01:44:43,619
my opinion so I don't know you know

2748
01:44:47,510 --> 01:44:45,480
necessarily is it going to have a sense

2749
01:44:49,490 --> 01:44:47,520
of morality the way that human beings

2750
01:44:51,050 --> 01:44:49,500
have or you know a sense of right and

2751
01:44:53,689 --> 01:44:51,060
wrong or anything I don't know that you

2752
01:44:55,490 --> 01:44:53,699
can even apply that I don't know that we

2753
01:44:57,290 --> 01:44:55,500
you know are necessarily even capable of

2754
01:44:59,689 --> 01:44:57,300
understanding the motives for why some

2755
01:45:01,070 --> 01:44:59,699
of this stuff is done I mean I know

2756
01:45:02,930 --> 01:45:01,080
again it's not necessarily the great

2757
01:45:04,729 --> 01:45:02,940
comparison between just an aunt you know

2758
01:45:07,129 --> 01:45:04,739
truly understand why we inadvertently

2759
01:45:10,790 --> 01:45:07,139
step on it probably not

2760
01:45:12,709 --> 01:45:10,800
uh it just is so

2761
01:45:14,990 --> 01:45:12,719
I think that's a super important point

2762
01:45:16,129 --> 01:45:15,000
you know I just had that discussion the

2763
01:45:17,930 --> 01:45:16,139
other day with a guy interviewed I

2764
01:45:19,729 --> 01:45:17,940
really like because just purely coming

2765
01:45:21,350 --> 01:45:19,739
at things come kind of from a spiritual

2766
01:45:22,850 --> 01:45:21,360
actually from a law of attraction kind

2767
01:45:25,370 --> 01:45:22,860
of spiritual kind of thing

2768
01:45:28,970 --> 01:45:25,380
but what you say it is really undeniable

2769
01:45:31,669 --> 01:45:28,980
it's from a rational logical standpoint

2770
01:45:33,010 --> 01:45:31,679
it's clear that whatever you think of

2771
01:45:37,010 --> 01:45:33,020
God is

2772
01:45:40,070 --> 01:45:37,020
is if not disinterested if that's too

2773
01:45:42,109 --> 01:45:40,080
strong of a word is that your connection

2774
01:45:44,629 --> 01:45:42,119
with the divine

2775
01:45:46,970 --> 01:45:44,639
has nothing to do with the details the

2776
01:45:49,189 --> 01:45:46,980
minutia of your life it couldn't

2777
01:45:52,669 --> 01:45:49,199
possibly this is your journey your trip

2778
01:45:54,770 --> 01:45:52,679
your experience and as we just look

2779
01:45:57,590 --> 01:45:54,780
around everyone's doing it

2780
01:45:59,750 --> 01:45:57,600
doing it differently and you know I I so

2781
01:46:03,370 --> 01:45:59,760
I agree with you one thousand percent

2782
01:46:07,550 --> 01:46:03,380
that to try and apply our puny little

2783
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:07,560
idea of what morale morality is is

2784
01:46:12,709 --> 01:46:10,560
really tricky but I Gotta Throw the butt

2785
01:46:16,010 --> 01:46:12,719
in there like you look at near-death

2786
01:46:17,090 --> 01:46:16,020
experience science which the interesting

2787
01:46:20,450 --> 01:46:17,100
thing about near-death experience

2788
01:46:22,550 --> 01:46:20,460
science is medically we understand that

2789
01:46:24,890 --> 01:46:22,560
those people are dead don't let anyone

2790
01:46:27,109 --> 01:46:24,900
tell you they're not really dead they're

2791
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:27,119
dead by every means we've ever measured

2792
01:46:32,050 --> 01:46:28,560
death

2793
01:46:35,330 --> 01:46:32,060
and yet their Consciousness

2794
01:46:38,330 --> 01:46:35,340
continues to operate in some way and

2795
01:46:41,390 --> 01:46:38,340
what they uniformly come back and say is

2796
01:46:42,890 --> 01:46:41,400
yes to the morality yes to the to the

2797
01:46:45,350 --> 01:46:42,900
thing I think most of us just feel in

2798
01:46:47,090 --> 01:46:45,360
our soul is that

2799
01:46:50,390 --> 01:46:47,100
Humanity

2800
01:46:52,070 --> 01:46:50,400
is supposed to do good things you're

2801
01:46:54,350 --> 01:46:52,080
supposed to take care of other people

2802
01:46:56,510 --> 01:46:54,360
you're supposed to love other people

2803
01:46:58,729 --> 01:46:56,520
you're supposed to connect

2804
01:47:02,570 --> 01:46:58,739
that comes through when look at little

2805
01:47:03,950 --> 01:47:02,580
kids know that do that so yeah I I don't

2806
01:47:05,350 --> 01:47:03,960
know what

2807
01:47:08,209 --> 01:47:05,360
et's

2808
01:47:11,330 --> 01:47:08,219
nde looks like

2809
01:47:13,790 --> 01:47:11,340
but my Arch is et's nde looks a lot like

2810
01:47:15,050 --> 01:47:13,800
you're in my nde do you have any

2811
01:47:16,970 --> 01:47:15,060
thoughts on that

2812
01:47:19,189 --> 01:47:16,980
well again I don't know if we can really

2813
01:47:20,750 --> 01:47:19,199
you know again I mean is human morality

2814
01:47:22,850 --> 01:47:20,760
I mean the same thing as I mean another

2815
01:47:24,830 --> 01:47:22,860
species or Another Kind Of Consciousness

2816
01:47:26,750 --> 01:47:24,840
I mean again I don't

2817
01:47:29,930 --> 01:47:26,760
I don't even know if we have any way to

2818
01:47:32,570 --> 01:47:29,940
assess that to be perfectly honest I

2819
01:47:33,890 --> 01:47:32,580
uh I mean maybe it's possible I mean if

2820
01:47:35,629 --> 01:47:33,900
we're correct on all the stuff with the

2821
01:47:37,250 --> 01:47:35,639
newness fear and I mean it all is some

2822
01:47:38,990 --> 01:47:37,260
kind of collective Consciousness that's

2823
01:47:41,330 --> 01:47:39,000
intertwined with one another and then

2824
01:47:43,070 --> 01:47:41,340
perhaps E.T is simply operating on a

2825
01:47:45,530 --> 01:47:43,080
higher sense of morality that we can't

2826
01:47:48,290 --> 01:47:45,540
you know necessarily comprehend

2827
01:47:50,030 --> 01:47:48,300
I don't know but I mean I do believe

2828
01:47:52,669 --> 01:47:50,040
that you know there is sort of an innate

2829
01:47:54,109 --> 01:47:52,679
uh morality within humans you know I

2830
01:47:56,090 --> 01:47:54,119
don't know that that can necessarily be

2831
01:47:57,770 --> 01:47:56,100
denied but yeah you know when you come

2832
01:48:00,169 --> 01:47:57,780
that sounds like a lot of humanistic

2833
01:48:04,070 --> 01:48:00,179
dribble I mean what the what I'm doing

2834
01:48:07,070 --> 01:48:04,080
is pointing to the data and the data is

2835
01:48:09,290 --> 01:48:07,080
scientific data and so the first

2836
01:48:11,109 --> 01:48:09,300
scientific data is that near-death

2837
01:48:13,609 --> 01:48:11,119
experiences

2838
01:48:15,590 --> 01:48:13,619
strongly suggest Consciousness survives

2839
01:48:18,590 --> 01:48:15,600
bodily death so the whole thing we're

2840
01:48:20,209 --> 01:48:18,600
conditioned to in school is to you know

2841
01:48:21,770 --> 01:48:20,219
you're just a biological robot in a

2842
01:48:23,209 --> 01:48:21,780
meaningless Universe there is no meaning

2843
01:48:24,890 --> 01:48:23,219
to your life there is no meaning to

2844
01:48:26,990 --> 01:48:24,900
anything you have to get past that or

2845
01:48:29,149 --> 01:48:27,000
you're not even in the game so we get

2846
01:48:31,430 --> 01:48:29,159
past that we get past scientism and then

2847
01:48:34,070 --> 01:48:31,440
we start asking the questions well what

2848
01:48:35,689 --> 01:48:34,080
is this extended realm the best data we

2849
01:48:37,430 --> 01:48:35,699
have again is this near-death experience

2850
01:48:39,950 --> 01:48:37,440
and you start looking at the accounts

2851
01:48:41,530 --> 01:48:39,960
broadly like Dr Jeff long and look at

2852
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:41,540
the

2853
01:48:45,649 --> 01:48:44,159
nderf.org where he's compiled thousands

2854
01:48:48,229 --> 01:48:45,659
of them and he's analyzed them

2855
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:48,239
statistically over and over again what

2856
01:48:53,330 --> 01:48:50,880
they come through with a high degree of

2857
01:48:54,950 --> 01:48:53,340
statistical significance is that this is

2858
01:48:56,990 --> 01:48:54,960
what they're telling us they're telling

2859
01:48:58,970 --> 01:48:57,000
us it's about love more than anything

2860
01:49:01,669 --> 01:48:58,980
else they're telling us it's about

2861
01:49:03,410 --> 01:49:01,679
connection more than anything else and

2862
01:49:04,970 --> 01:49:03,420
you can tease that out with well did

2863
01:49:07,550 --> 01:49:04,980
they see that in the movie did they see

2864
01:49:09,290 --> 01:49:07,560
that and the data still comes through

2865
01:49:10,310 --> 01:49:09,300
and says that that's what it is as a

2866
01:49:12,290 --> 01:49:10,320
matter of fact the data is kind of

2867
01:49:14,149 --> 01:49:12,300
misreported because everyone reports the

2868
01:49:15,950 --> 01:49:14,159
tunnel everyone reports all this other

2869
01:49:18,109 --> 01:49:15,960
stuff and it kind of comes through in

2870
01:49:19,729 --> 01:49:18,119
this humanistic way but that's not

2871
01:49:21,050 --> 01:49:19,739
really what the data is if you look at

2872
01:49:22,790 --> 01:49:21,060
it and Jeff Long wrote A New York Times

2873
01:49:25,790 --> 01:49:22,800
best-selling book anyone can go read it

2874
01:49:27,290 --> 01:49:25,800
but I have to tell you the other thing

2875
01:49:29,570 --> 01:49:27,300
that I got to call you out a little bit

2876
01:49:32,570 --> 01:49:29,580
I think you're sidestepping the data on

2877
01:49:35,149 --> 01:49:32,580
ET because Jeff Long hooked up with Ray

2878
01:49:38,689 --> 01:49:35,159
Hernandez and they did a similar study

2879
01:49:42,530 --> 01:49:38,699
of ET contact into grant Cameron's

2880
01:49:43,870 --> 01:49:42,540
credit when he reports like he did that

2881
01:49:48,890 --> 01:49:43,880
you know

2882
01:49:52,729 --> 01:49:48,900
80 81 or 91 percent of people don't want

2883
01:49:54,950 --> 01:49:52,739
the contact to stop a highly a high high

2884
01:49:57,589 --> 01:49:54,960
percentage of them felt that it was a

2885
01:50:00,229 --> 01:49:57,599
spiritual experience and but it isn't

2886
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,239
uniform not everyone feels that way but

2887
01:50:04,370 --> 01:50:02,639
again that's data I don't know what you

2888
01:50:06,410 --> 01:50:04,380
do with that data I don't I'm not

2889
01:50:08,510 --> 01:50:06,420
inclined to sidestep that data I've

2890
01:50:11,030 --> 01:50:08,520
interviewed Ray I've read the book

2891
01:50:12,410 --> 01:50:11,040
I don't know how you do it better but if

2892
01:50:14,270 --> 01:50:12,420
somebody wants to go replicate it and

2893
01:50:16,070 --> 01:50:14,280
come up with some other data

2894
01:50:18,109 --> 01:50:16,080
great we'll throw that on the pile but

2895
01:50:21,050 --> 01:50:18,119
in the meantime you got to follow the

2896
01:50:23,689 --> 01:50:21,060
data and the data on nde says

2897
01:50:27,290 --> 01:50:23,699
hierarchy of Consciousness and the data

2898
01:50:30,350 --> 01:50:27,300
on ET says probably more good ET than

2899
01:50:33,470 --> 01:50:30,360
bad E.T like like is that should that be

2900
01:50:35,570 --> 01:50:33,480
a surprise in our world a lot more good

2901
01:50:38,030 --> 01:50:35,580
people than bad people but the

2902
01:50:39,350 --> 01:50:38,040
Psychopaths sure get their voice in you

2903
01:50:40,550 --> 01:50:39,360
know pretty good

2904
01:50:42,709 --> 01:50:40,560
mm-hmm

2905
01:50:44,450 --> 01:50:42,719
well I mean and that is the question I

2906
01:50:45,830 --> 01:50:44,460
mean you know I can only really kind of

2907
01:50:49,250 --> 01:50:45,840
relate this to my own personal

2908
01:50:51,050 --> 01:50:49,260
experiences I had an Obe probably around

2909
01:50:54,050 --> 01:50:51,060
the time when I was three or four years

2910
01:50:56,450 --> 01:50:54,060
old and it was a frankly it was an awful

2911
01:50:58,129 --> 01:50:56,460
experience it's uh probably traumatized

2912
01:50:59,570 --> 01:50:58,139
me for my entire life to be perfectly

2913
01:51:02,149 --> 01:50:59,580
honest

2914
01:51:03,410 --> 01:51:02,159
but on the flip side of the coin I

2915
01:51:05,689 --> 01:51:03,420
probably wouldn't be sitting here doing

2916
01:51:07,550 --> 01:51:05,699
this interview with you uh if it wasn't

2917
01:51:10,790 --> 01:51:07,560
for that experience

2918
01:51:12,709 --> 01:51:10,800
so you know The Optimist in me likes to

2919
01:51:14,330 --> 01:51:12,719
think that I had to go through this

2920
01:51:16,370 --> 01:51:14,340
horrendous experience because there was

2921
01:51:19,609 --> 01:51:16,380
something in my future that I had to do

2922
01:51:21,229 --> 01:51:19,619
that I needed this experience for and

2923
01:51:23,750 --> 01:51:21,239
hopefully something benevolent was

2924
01:51:26,149 --> 01:51:23,760
guiding me towards all of these ends so

2925
01:51:28,129 --> 01:51:26,159
that I could do what I needed to do now

2926
01:51:29,450 --> 01:51:28,139
that could just simply be sophistry on

2927
01:51:31,010 --> 01:51:29,460
my part because I need to try to

2928
01:51:33,709 --> 01:51:31,020
rationalize why this awful thing

2929
01:51:35,930 --> 01:51:33,719
happened to me uh again I don't really

2930
01:51:38,750 --> 01:51:35,940
know but you know certainly it does seem

2931
01:51:40,970 --> 01:51:38,760
that there are negative experiences that

2932
01:51:42,169 --> 01:51:40,980
go into all of this you know that

2933
01:51:43,669 --> 01:51:42,179
definitely is something that can't be

2934
01:51:45,890 --> 01:51:43,679
denied and it's something that I think a

2935
01:51:48,109 --> 01:51:45,900
lot of new age types do tend to overlook

2936
01:51:49,850 --> 01:51:48,119
but I mean you know in the grand scheme

2937
01:51:52,070 --> 01:51:49,860
of things maybe there is a purpose to

2938
01:51:53,570 --> 01:51:52,080
the negative things that happen maybe

2939
01:51:55,790 --> 01:51:53,580
it's just like it is in the real world

2940
01:51:58,310 --> 01:51:55,800
or and I should say manifest day-to-day

2941
01:52:00,530 --> 01:51:58,320
life for us uh those of us in our meat

2942
01:52:02,270 --> 01:52:00,540
suits where you know most of the people

2943
01:52:04,189 --> 01:52:02,280
you encounter in day-to-day life are

2944
01:52:05,629 --> 01:52:04,199
pretty decent and may try to help you

2945
01:52:08,149 --> 01:52:05,639
and there are some people who are just

2946
01:52:10,669 --> 01:52:08,159
really [\h__\h] for whatever reason

2947
01:52:12,470 --> 01:52:10,679
but uh again I don't you know you would

2948
01:52:14,390 --> 01:52:12,480
kind of hope that uh when you got to

2949
01:52:15,830 --> 01:52:14,400
that level of conscious achievement or

2950
01:52:18,709 --> 01:52:15,840
something like that you would be above

2951
01:52:19,790 --> 01:52:18,719
this sort of petty malice but I don't

2952
01:52:24,290 --> 01:52:19,800
know

2953
01:52:25,790 --> 01:52:24,300
come back because this is there's a

2954
01:52:27,530 --> 01:52:25,800
subtlety to this that we all have to

2955
01:52:29,450 --> 01:52:27,540
play out I really really agree with the

2956
01:52:32,209 --> 01:52:29,460
point that you're making before because

2957
01:52:34,790 --> 01:52:32,219
I think the churchy kind of uh it's all

2958
01:52:37,370 --> 01:52:34,800
good Jesus loves me yes I know because

2959
01:52:41,330 --> 01:52:37,380
the Bible tells me so is out the window

2960
01:52:44,089 --> 01:52:41,340
and the only possibility is that it is

2961
01:52:47,330 --> 01:52:44,099
beyond our comprehension and in

2962
01:52:48,290 --> 01:52:47,340
invariably that's what all the ND ears

2963
01:52:51,950 --> 01:52:48,300
say

2964
01:52:54,709 --> 01:52:51,960
answers then I tried to pack it back

2965
01:52:56,629 --> 01:52:54,719
into here and I didn't and lo and behold

2966
01:52:58,490 --> 01:52:56,639
that's a lot of the ET contactors say

2967
01:53:01,129 --> 01:52:58,500
Ray Hernandez who had a direct

2968
01:53:02,750 --> 01:53:01,139
experience with ET that's what he says

2969
01:53:04,850 --> 01:53:02,760
and Ray Hernandez is not a chump I mean

2970
01:53:07,010 --> 01:53:04,860
he's a lawyer he's got degrees from

2971
01:53:09,410 --> 01:53:07,020
Stanford and I don't know where else but

2972
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:09,420
knew everything when he was out outside

2973
01:53:15,410 --> 01:53:12,000
of Space and Time come back in this form

2974
01:53:18,770 --> 01:53:15,420
and it's like duh you know back a bit

2975
01:53:21,470 --> 01:53:18,780
just kind of an ordinary person uh we'll

2976
01:53:24,530 --> 01:53:21,480
wrap it up I cannot recommend more

2977
01:53:27,229 --> 01:53:24,540
highly the farm if you're at all engaged

2978
01:53:29,270 --> 01:53:27,239
by this kind of dialogue heck this guy

2979
01:53:32,450 --> 01:53:29,280
has these how often do you guys put out

2980
01:53:34,850 --> 01:53:32,460
a show we do it once a week man they're

2981
01:53:37,970 --> 01:53:34,860
amazing uh amazing you just did a thing

2982
01:53:39,410 --> 01:53:37,980
on crypto and it like completely turned

2983
01:53:40,970 --> 01:53:39,420
my world I don't want to say [\h__\h] upside

2984
01:53:43,010 --> 01:53:40,980
down because I was never into crypto but

2985
01:53:45,550 --> 01:53:43,020
it was like oh my God truth teller truth

2986
01:53:48,649 --> 01:53:45,560
tell her truth tell her fantastic show

2987
01:53:50,990 --> 01:53:48,659
peruse you will not you will not at all

2988
01:53:52,250 --> 01:53:51,000
be disappointed we'll look for the book

2989
01:53:53,330 --> 01:53:52,260
what else should we tell people about

2990
01:53:55,609 --> 01:53:53,340
Stephen

2991
01:53:57,890 --> 01:53:55,619
uh well I mean I've also got my longtime

2992
01:54:00,950 --> 01:53:57,900
uh website uh buys a view which you can

2993
01:54:02,209 --> 01:54:00,960
find advice of you.blogspot.com I

2994
01:54:04,669 --> 01:54:02,219
haven't been able to do as much with

2995
01:54:06,169 --> 01:54:04,679
that as I uh would like to have in the

2996
01:54:07,609 --> 01:54:06,179
last year or so but hopefully we'll be

2997
01:54:10,910 --> 01:54:07,619
getting back to us some more regular

2998
01:54:12,649 --> 01:54:10,920
updates soon and uh yeah I might be

2999
01:54:14,330 --> 01:54:12,659
having another uh podcast coming out

3000
01:54:15,950 --> 01:54:14,340
here in the next couple of months as

3001
01:54:18,770 --> 01:54:15,960
well we'll just I have to see how all

3002
01:54:20,930 --> 01:54:18,780
that goes but uh yeah it's going to be

3003
01:54:22,070 --> 01:54:20,940
probably a busy 2022 for me I would

3004
01:54:24,770 --> 01:54:22,080
imagine

3005
01:54:28,070 --> 01:54:24,780
fantastic well I appreciate you coming

3006
01:54:29,870 --> 01:54:28,080
on and engaging in this kind of grilling

3007
01:54:31,250 --> 01:54:29,880
I mean it's I don't know how else to get

3008
01:54:32,689 --> 01:54:31,260
to the bottom of this stuff I mean you

3009
01:54:34,609 --> 01:54:32,699
got to kind of

3010
01:54:36,410 --> 01:54:34,619
hash out the stuff that you don't

3011
01:54:38,870 --> 01:54:36,420
exactly see eye to eye on otherwise it's

3012
01:54:40,609 --> 01:54:38,880
just more the kind of yeah cheerleader

3013
01:54:43,490 --> 01:54:40,619
oh yeah I mean the world would be pretty

3014
01:54:46,070 --> 01:54:43,500
dull if we all agreed on everything so

3015
01:54:48,589 --> 01:54:46,080
absolutely massive respect for what you

3016
01:54:49,850 --> 01:54:48,599
do thanks so much for being on thank you

3017
01:54:51,770 --> 01:54:49,860
for having me Alex

3018
01:54:53,689 --> 01:54:51,780
thanks again to Steven Snyder for

3019
01:54:55,129 --> 01:54:53,699
joining me today on skeptico the one

3020
01:54:57,169 --> 01:54:55,139
question I'd have to tee up from this

3021
01:55:00,950 --> 01:54:57,179
interview is the one I guess I started

3022
01:55:03,550 --> 01:55:00,960
with is pizzagate what do you think pure

3023
01:55:06,589 --> 01:55:03,560
disinformation campaign or

3024
01:55:09,770 --> 01:55:06,599
disinformation disinformation campaign

3025
01:55:12,709 --> 01:55:09,780
to distract us from what's really going

3026
01:55:15,709 --> 01:55:12,719
on as I said in the intro would love to

3027
01:55:18,169 --> 01:55:15,719
hear a deep dive engagement on that if

3028
01:55:20,930 --> 01:55:18,179
you got real stuff bring it and connect

3029
01:55:22,310 --> 01:55:20,940
with me it's fine to say you like the

3030
01:55:23,689 --> 01:55:22,320
show or something like that or you

3031
01:55:26,089 --> 01:55:23,699
appreciate it you've been listening for

3032
01:55:28,250 --> 01:55:26,099
a long time I'd love to hear that but I

3033
01:55:30,709 --> 01:55:28,260
don't care what I really want to know is

3034
01:55:33,770 --> 01:55:30,719
I want to know something new tell me

3035
01:55:36,169 --> 01:55:33,780
something new that I don't know join me

3036
01:55:38,209 --> 01:55:36,179
on the skeptical Forum join me over on

3037
01:55:40,550 --> 01:55:38,219
the new telegram I'll see how that works

3038
01:55:43,370 --> 01:55:40,560
if I can really find a way to engage

3039
01:55:45,350 --> 01:55:43,380
over there but connect connect with me

3040
01:55:47,570 --> 01:55:45,360
and help us grow this community I got

3041
01:55:49,550 --> 01:55:47,580
some good ones coming up please stay

3042
01:55:50,750 --> 01:55:49,560
with me for all of that until next time

3043
01:55:53,050 --> 01:55:50,760
take care